TSN TG

PDF of approved session minutes (taking precedence over the following)(including links to PDFs of the minutes for the Maintenance TG, OmniRAN TG, IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project, NEND ICA – each of which are also reproduced below – and YANGsters).

IEEE 802.1 Working Group

10-14 September 2018 Interim Meeting

Oslo, Norway

Meeting Minutes

The acting 802.1 Chair, John Messenger, presided.

The 802.1 Recording Secretary, Jessy Rouyer, wrote the minutes in part based on input from 802.1 Task Group Chairs.

Attendance and affiliation

Name

Affiliation

Mon 08:00 – 13:00 TSN TG

Mon 14:00 – 18:00 TSN TG

Mon 16:30 – 18:00 OmniRAN TG

Tue 08:00 – 09:00 Maintenance TG

Tue 09:00 – 13:00 TSN TG + IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project

Tue 10:00 – 13:00 OmniRAN TG

Tue 14:00 – 18:0 OmniRAN TG

Tue 14:00 – 18:00 TSN TG

Tue 14:00 – 18:00 IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project

Wed 07:30 – 10:30 NEND ICA

Wed 08:00 – 13:00 TSN TG

Wed 08:00 – 13:00 IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project

Wed 11:00 – 13:00 OmniRAN TG

Wed 14:00 – 18:00 OmniRAN TG

Wed 14:00 – 18:00 TSN TG

Wed 14:00 – 18:00 IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project

Thu 08:00 – 13:00 TSN TG

Thu 08:00 – 13:00 IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project

Thu 08:30 – 13:00 OmniRAN TG

Thu 14:00 – 18:00 TSN TG + IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project

Fri 08:00 – 13:00 TSN TG

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Yoshiaki

Hitachi, Ltd.

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Astrit

TTTech Computertechnik AG

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Assmann

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Marvell Semiconductor, Inc.

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Baba

Takenori

Mitsubishi Electric Corporation

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Shenghua

HUAWEI

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Bjornstad

Steinar

TransPacket

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Boiger

Christian

b-plus GmbH

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Canchi

Radhakrishna

Kyocera International Inc.

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Chang

Xin

Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd

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Chen

David

Nokia

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Feng

Siemens AG

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Congdon

Paul

Tallac Networks; Huawei

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Cummings

Rodney

National Instruments Corporation

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DeLaOlivaDelgado

Antonio

Universidad Carlos III Madrid

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Dorr

Josef

Siemens AG

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Elbakoury

Hesham

Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd

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Ellegaard

Lars

Microsemi Corporation

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Farkas

Janos

Ericsson

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Finn

Norman

Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd

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Fontaine

Mickael

TransPacket

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Garner

Geoffrey

Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd

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Godfrey

Tim

Electric Power Research Institute, Inc. (EPRI)

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Gunther

Craig

Craig Gunther Consulting, LLC

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Gutierrez

Marina

TTTech Computertechnik AG

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Haddock

Stephen

Stephen Haddock Consulting, LLC

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Hantel

Mark

Rockwell Automation

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Harima

Taro

Mitsubishi Electric Corporation

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Hellmanns

David

University of Stuttgart

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Hemmer

David

PILZ

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Holness

Marc

Ciena Corporation

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Hotta

Yoshifumi

Mitsubishi Electric Corporation

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Itaya

Satoko

National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT)

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Kehrer

Stephan

Hirschmann Automation and Control, Inc.

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Kojima

Fumihide

National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT)

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KONDO

Kenji

Yaskawa Electric Corp

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KOTO

Hajime

National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT)

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Mangin

Christophe

Mitsubishi Electric Corporation

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Mansfield

Scott

Telefon AB LM Ericsson

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Marks

Roger

EthAirNet Associates; Huawei

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Maruhashi

Kenichi

NEC Corporation

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Messenger

John

ADVA Optical Networking Ltd.

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Mihalache

Razvan

Robert Bosch GmbH

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Mustala

Tero

Nokia Networks

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Nakamura

Minoru

Mitsubishi Electric Corporation

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Hitachi, Ltd.

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Osagawa

Daisuke

Mitsubishi Electric Corporation

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Pannell

Donald

NXP Semiconductors

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Parsons

Glenn

Ericsson AB

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Potts

Michael

General Motors Company

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Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd

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Riegel

Maximilian

Nokia Networks

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Rouyer

Jessy

Nokia

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Rajeev

NXP Semiconductors

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Sato

Atsushi

Yokogawa Electric Corporation

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Seaman

Michael

Individual

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Seewald

Maik

Cisco Systems, Inc.

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Specht

Johannes

University of Duisburg-Essen and General Motors Company

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Stanica

Marius

ABB AB

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Guenter

Siemens AG

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Tarui

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Mitsubishi Electric Corporation

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Microchip/Microsemi Corporation

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Unbehagen

Paul

Avaya Inc.

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Wamsser

Reiner

IEC SC65C MT9-Member

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Hao

Fujitsu Research & Development Center

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Tongtong

Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd

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Beckhoff

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Ludwig

Siemens AG

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Jordon

Analog Devices Inc.

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Wenqian

Fujitsu Research & Development Center

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Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd

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Nader

NEC Europe (NLE)

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Chunhui

Huawei R&D USA

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Rockwell Automation

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802.1 Officers and Management

Glenn Parsons	Working Group Chair
John Messenger	Working Group Vice-chair and acting Chair
Jessy Rouyer	Working Group Secretary and acting Vice Chair
János Farkas	Time Sensitive Networking Task Group Chair
Craig Gunther	Time Sensitive Networking Task Group Secretary
Mick Seaman	Security Task Group Chair
Max Riegel	OmniRAN Task Group Chair
Paul Congdon	Maintenance Task Group acting Chair
Roger Marks	NEND ICA Chair
Ludwig Winkel	IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project Chair
Josef Dorr	IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project Secretary
Mark Hantel	Email Maintenance and IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project Website Maintenance
Paul Unbehagen	Website Maintenance
Hal Keen	Email Maintenance

Task Group Meetings

Maintenance

Maintenance Task Group meeting minutes are incorporated into these minutes by reference and are available at http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/maint/2018-09-maintenance-meeting-v1.pdf.

OmniRAN

OmniRAN Task Group meeting minutes are incorporated into these minutes by reference and are available at https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0076-00-00TG-sep-2018-f2f-meeting-minutes.docx.

Current status of OmniRAN Task Group activities (including future meeting announcements, past meeting and conference call minutes) is available via a wiki located at https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/bp/StartPage.

Security

The Security TG did not meet at this meeting.

Time-Sensitive Networking

The Time-Sensitive Networking (TSN) Task Group Chair, János Farkas presided. Craig Gunther wrote the minutes.

At the beginning of the meetings on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, János Farkas or Stephen Haddock presented the IEEE-SA PatCom Patent Slides for Standards Development Meetings https://development.standards.ieee.org/myproject/Public/mytools/mob/slideset.pdf, and made the Call for Potentially Essential Patents. There were no responses to the calls prior to the end of the week’s session.

Monday 10 September 2018

8:00 AM (call to order by János Farkas) to 6:00 PM, with a 1-hour lunch break

János Farkas presented the participation slide https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/17/ec-17-0093-05-0PNP-ieee-802-participation-slide-ppt.ppt, and the agenda for the TSN Task Group meeting week https://1.ieee802.org/september-2018-interim-meeting-in-in-oslo-norway-tsn-tg-agenda/.
Disposition: The agenda was reviewed and approved.

Geoff Garner, P802.1AS-Rev editor, presented P802.1AS-Rev/D7.3 Editor’s Report http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/as-garner-802-1AS-Rev-d7-3-wg-ballot-recirc-editors-report-0918-v01.pdf then led the resolution of comments received on http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/as-rev-drafts/d7/802-1AS-rev-d7-3.pdf.
Disposition: Continued in a later session.

Rodney Cummings presented Experimental YANG for Time Sync (IEEE 1588-rev & 802.1AS-rev) http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/as-cummings-experimental-yang-time-sync-0918-v2.pdf.
Disposition: For information only.

Don Pannell presented Priority Support for PLCA http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-TSN-pannell-Priority-for-PLCA-for-8023-0918-v07.pdf.
Disposition: For information only.

Tuesday 11 September 2018

9:00 AM (call to order by János Farkas) to 1:00 PM

Minutes of this session, a joint session of the TSN TG and IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project, are incorporated into these minutes by reference and are available at http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/60802/2018-09-60802-meeting-v1.pdf.

2:00 PM to 6:00 PM

Scott Mansfield presented Yangster Update http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/yangsters-smansfield-status-0918-v01.pdf and Github Readme files http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/yangsters-smansfield-github-readme-0918-v02.pdf.
Disposition: For information only.

Marina Gutiérrez, P802.1Qcw editor, presented IEEE P802.1 Qcw/D0.1 YANG Data Models for TSN: Status Report http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cw-gutierrez-status-0918-v01.pdf and reviewed http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cw-drafts/d0/802-1Qcw-d0-1.pdf.
Disposition: Editor’s update on ongoing project.

Johannes Specht, P802.1Qcr editor, continued (from a previous meeting) the resolution of comments received on http://ieee802.org/1/files/private/cr-drafts/d0/802-1Qcr-D0-5.pdf and presented P802.1Qcr/D0.5 – Last Comments http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cr-specht-d0-5-last-comments-v00.pdf.
Disposition: Continued in a later session.

János Farkas presented and led the review of the draft PAR http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-farkas-CM-amendment-draft-PAR-v04.pdf and CSD http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-farkas-CM-amendment-draft-CSD-v03.pdf for a proposed Standard for Local and metropolitan area networks – Time-Sensitive Networking for Fronthaul Amendment: Enhancements for Fronthaul Interface, Synchronization, and Syntonization Standards.

Disposition: Continued in a later session.

Marc Holness, P802.1Qcx editor, led the resolution of comments received on http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cx-drafts/d0/802-1Qcx-d0-3.pdf.

Disposition: Continued in a later session.

Wednesday 12 September 2018

8:00 AM (call to order by János Farkas) to 6:00 PM, with a 1-hour lunch break

János Farkas continued leading the review of the draft PAR http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-farkas-CM-amendment-draft-PAR-v04.pdf and CSD http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-farkas-CM-amendment-draft-CSD-v03.pdf for a proposed Standard for Local and metropolitan area networks – Time-Sensitive Networking for Fronthaul Amendment: Enhancements for Fronthaul Interface, Synchronization, and Syntonization Standards.

Disposition: New PAR targeted for pre-circulation for consideration for approval at the November 2018 plenary meeting.

Mike Potts presented and led the review of the draft PAR http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-potts-TSN-automotive-profile-PAR-0918-v04.pdf and CSD http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-potts-TSN-automotive-profile-CSD-0918-v02.pdf for a proposed Time-Sensitive Networking Profile for Automotive In-Vehicle Ethernet Communications.
Disposition: New PAR targeted for pre-circulation for consideration for approval at the November 2018 plenary meeting.

Tongtong Wang presented Consideration on TSN for Service Provider Networks http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-wangtt-Consideration-on-TSN-for-Service-Provider-Networks-0918.pdf.

Disposition: Proposed new project; more discussion needed.

Tongtong Wang presented and led the review of the draft PAR http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-wangtt-TSN-for-service-provider-networks-PAR-0918-v04.pdf and CSD http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-wangtt-TSN-for-service-provider-networks-CSD-0918-v04.pdf for a proposed Time-Sensitive Networking Profile for Service Provider Networks.
Disposition: Continued in a later session.

Paul Unbehagen, P802.1Qcj editor, presented 802.1Qcj Update http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cj-unbehagen-auto-attach-d3-update-0918.pdf and reviewed http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cj-drafts/d0/802-1Qcj-d0-3.pdf.
Disposition: Editor’s update on ongoing project.

Marc Holness, P802.1Qcx editor, presented P802.1Qcx D0.3 Comment Resolution Hi-Lites http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cx-holness-comment-summary-d0-3-0918-v01.pdf and continued the resolution of comments received on http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cx-drafts/d0/802-1Qcx-d0-3.pdf.

Disposition: Ballot disposition recorded in http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cx-drafts/d0/802-1Qcx-d0-3-dis-v01.pdf.

Geoff Garner (Huawei), P802.1AS-Rev editor, continued the resolution of comments received on http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/as-rev-drafts/d7/802-1AS-rev-d7-3.pdf.
Disposition: Ballot disposition recorded in http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/as-rev-drafts/d7/802-1AS-rev-d7-3-dis-v01.pdf.

Thursday 13 September 2018

8:00 AM (call to order by Stephen Haddock) to 1:00 PM

Stephen Haddock, P802.1AX-Rev editor, presented http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/ax-rev-haddock-editors-report-0918-v1.pdf then led the resolution of comments received on http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/ax-rev-drafts/d0/802-1AX-Rev2-d0-3.pdf.
Disposition: Proposed ballot comment resolution recorded in http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/ax-rev-drafts/d0/802-1AX-Rev-d0-3-pdis-v01.pdf, updated post-meeting as http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/ax-rev-drafts/d0/802-1AX-Rev-d0-3-dis-v01.pdf.

Johannes Specht, P802.1Qcr editor, continued the resolution of comments received on http://ieee802.org/1/files/private/cr-drafts/d0/802-1Qcr-D0-5.pdf.
Disposition: Ballot comment resolution recorded in http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cr-drafts/d0/802-1Qcr-d0-5-dis-v00.pdf.

Paul Congdon presented Proposed Technical Approach Congestion Isolation http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cz-congdon-ci-approach-0918-v01.pdf
Disposition: Proposed new project; more discussion needed.

2:00 PM to 4:30 PM

Minutes of this session, a joint session of the TSN TG and IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project, are incorporated into these minutes by reference and are available at http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/60802/2018-09-60802-meeting-v1.pdf.

4:30 PM to 6:00 PM

Christophe Mangin presented 802.1CBdb Generic Mask & Match stream identification function http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/db-mangin-generic-mm-stream-identification-0918-v01.pdf.
Disposition: Editor’s update on existing project.

Astrit Ademaj presented 802.1Qcc findings http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cc-ademaj-QccFindings-0918-v02.pdf.
Disposition: Related to existing project; more discussion needed.

Friday 14 September 2018

8:00 AM (call to order by János Farkas) to 12:42 PM

David Hellmanns presented NeSTiNg A Network Simulator for Time-sensitive Networking http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-hellmanns-tsn-simulator-0918-v03.pdf.
Disposition: For information only.

Hajime Koto presented IEEE 802.1 Interim meeting Hiroshima, Japan January 14.-18.(Mon-Fri), 2019 http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/admin-koto-Hiroshima-interim-0918-v00.pdf.
Disposition: For information only.

Feng Chen presented RAP/LRP Interactions using LRP Service Primitives http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cs-chen-RAP-LRP-interaction-0918-v01.pdf.
Disposition: Related to existing project; more discussion needed.

Norman Finn, P802.1CS editor, presented IEEE P802.1CS Link-local Registration Protocol Draft 1.6 introduction http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cs-finn-D1-6-introduction-0918-v02.pdf and reviewed http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cs-drafts/d1/802-1CS-d1-6.pdf.
Disposition: Editor’s update on existing project.

Norman Finn, P802.1DC editor, presented Introduction to Draft 0.1 of IEEE P802.1DC Quality of Service Provision by Network Systems http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/dc-finn-D0-1-introduction-0918-v01.pdf.
Disposition: Editor’s update on existing project.

Don Pannell gave an oral update on P802.3cg.

János Farkas reopened the review of the draft PAR http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-wangtt-TSN-for-service-provider-networks-PAR-0918-v04.pdf and CSD http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-wangtt-TSN-for-service-provider-networks-CSD-0918-v04.pdf for a proposed Time-Sensitive Networking Profile for Service Provider Networks
Disposition: New PAR targeted for pre-circulation for consideration for approval at the November 2018 plenary meeting.

IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project

The IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project meeting minutes are incorporated into these minutes by reference and are available at http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/60802/2018-09-60802-meeting-v1.pdf.

NEND ICA

The NEND ICA meeting minutes are incorporated into these minutes by reference and are available at https://mentor.ieee.org/802.1/dcn/18/1-18-0057-00-ICne.docx.

YANGsters

The YANGsters meeting minutes are incorporated into these minutes by reference and are available at http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/yangsters-smansfield-oslo-minutes-0918-v01.pdf.

Next meeting

12-15 November 2018, Bangkok, Thailand

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IEEE 802.1 Maintenance

Meeting

Sept 11th, 2018

8:00am-9:00am – Minutes v1 (Paul Congdon)

Attendees: Mick Seaman, Norm Finn, Ralf Assman, Steve Haddock, Xiang Yu, John Messenger, Geoff Garner, Craig Gunther, Stephan Kehrer, Fumihide Kojima, Karl Weber, Christian Boiger, Max Riegel, Razvan Mihalache, Karim Traure, Scott Mansfield, Glenn Parsons, Jessy Rouyer, Aairit Ademaj, Radhakrishna Canchi, Marina Gutierrez, Chunhui Zhu, Reiner Wamsser, Atsushi Sato, Jordan Woods, Nadir Zein, Takuma Nomizu, Yoshiaki Adachi, Yoshifumi Hotta, Isao Tarui, Takenor Baba, Josef Dorr, Gunter Steindl

Minutes:

1. The interim chair, Paul Congdon, introduced the agenda, showed the patent policy slides and made the call for patents. There were no responses.
2. Paul presented the list of current vehicles (drafts) used for implementing maintenance items, and the current numerical status of maintenance items in the database. Details in the Maintenance Session Slides.
3. New maintenance item 0210 – Maintenance request for P802.1CS was submitted by Norm Finn just prior to the meeting and was discussed. The title of the maintenance item was updated to be more specific. It is now called, “ECP protocol code point for P802.1CS needed in 802.1Q-2018”. The proposal is to document the protocol code point in 802.1CS as needed, then wait for a revision or amendment to 802.1Q in order to update table 43-1 with the new value. The item was received, and it was agreed to continue discussion in November and offline.
4. A discussion regarding the need for an internal 802.1 registry of values stemmed from the discussion of new item 0210. It is desirable to maintain a list of assigned values that 802.1 uses for various purposes; most notably 802.1 LLDP TLV types. Currently the chair maintains various XLS files, some of which are available on the 802.1 file server. There were no conclusions on how to proceed, but it was agreed to discuss a process further offline.
5. Existing maintenance items were reviewed and updated.
   1. No action taken on 0170, 0174 and 0205 because they are awaiting a document vehicle to be resolved and are otherwise ready to go.
   2. Item 0177 was closed because the submitter has withdrawn the item.
6. The group is still waiting to hear from RevCom regarding the status of 802.1AC-Cor1 and 802.1Xck. Once approved and published, the associated items can be closed.
7. There was no comment resolution required on existing ballots
8. Liaisons: none.
9. We briefly reviewed the ISO SC6 ballot comment on 802.1AEcg. A response will be formulated and a motion to respond is expected in November.
10. We reviewed the status of standards in the PSDO process, prepared by Karen Randall.
11. See the updated session slides (http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/maint-congdon-session-0918-v02.pdf) and web-site (http://www.ieee802.org/1/maint.html) for further details and discussion.

***

Minutes of IEEE 802.1 OmniRAN TG September 10th – 13th Meeting in Oslo, Norway
Date: September 18th, 2018
Author(s):
Name	Affiliation	Address	Phone	email
Hao Wang	Fujitsu		+86 010 59691521	wangh@cn.fujitsu.com

Abstract

Minutes of the IEEE 802.1 OmniRAN TG meeting at the IEEE 802.1 Interim Meeting in Oslo, Norway on September 10-13, 2018

Since the last F2F meeting held in Rosemont, OmniRAN TG held one conference calls. The minutes can be found on the mentor. They have been reviewed and accepted by the TG.

Confcall on 30^th, July

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0068-00-00TG-jul-30th-confcall-minutes.docx

Monday, September 10^th, 2018

Chair: Max Riegel

Recording secretary: Hao Wang

Call to order

Meeting called to order by Max Riegel at 16:30 hrs.

Meeting was guided by the slides uploaded and maintained by the chair:
https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0067-01-00TG-sep-2018-f2f-meeting-slides.pptx

Minutes

Hao Wang volunteered to take notes.

Attendance

IEEE 802.1 meeting IMAT page was used for recording of attendance

Participants

Name	Affiliation
Max Riegel	Nokia Bell Labs
Hao Wang	Fujitsu
Hajime Koto	NICT
Kenichi Maruhashi	NEC
Nader Zein	NEC Europe (NLE GmbH)
Radhakrishna Canchi	Kyocera
Antonio de la Oliva	UC3M/IDCC
Walter Pienciak	Adv. Cog. Arch.-remote
Satoko Itaya	NICT
Glenn Parsons	Ericsson
Fumihide Kojima	NICT

IEEE WG Guidelines

The chair presented the mandatory IEEE SA guideline slides and asked for anybody willing to make an IPR announcement.

No IPR declarations were brought up.

Agenda approval

Agenda as proposed in the chair’s meeting slides was presented and discussed.

Review of minutes

Reports

Result of P802.1CF sponsor ballot

Comment resolution of P802.1CF sponsor ballot

Plan for sponsor ballot recirculation

P802.1CQ contributions

Potential new project for OmniRAN TG

Conference calls until November 2018 F2F

Status report to IEEE 802 WGs

Next meeting

AOB

Agenda approved without further comments.

Schedule of the topics during the week

Chair discussed availabilities of the contributors and preferences to discuss the various topics.

Group agreed to arrange the discussion topics according to the following plan over the week:

Monday

Review of minutes

Reports

Result of P802.1CF sponsor ballot

Comment resolution of P802.1CF sponsor ballot

Tuesday

P802.1CQ contributions

Comment resolution of P802.1CF sponsor ballot

Wednesday

Potential new project for OmniRAN TG

Thursday

Comment resolution of P802.1CF sponsor ballot

Conference calls until November 2018 F2F

Status report to IEEE 802 WGs

Next meeting

AOB

Review of minutes

Review the minutes of Jul 30^th confcall;

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0068-00-00TG-jul-30th-confcall-minutes.docx

Review the minutes of the July F2F:

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0064-00-00TG-jul-2018-f2f-meeting-minutes.docx

No comments were raised.

Reports

None is reported.

Result of P802.1CF sponsor ballot

Chair introduced the initial sponsor ballot results.

76 votes received (80%), 95% approval,

53 comments, 16 must be satisfied

Chair guides the group to review the comment resolution tutorial made by Adrian Stephens, DCN-13-0230/r3 (last updated in 2016)

Chair guides the group to browse the list of comments as follows, and discuss the plan for further involving the draft.

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0070-00-CF00-d2-2-initial-sponsor-ballot-comments.xlsx

Tuesday, September 11^st, 2018

Reconvened at 10:00

Reminder-call for IPR: Nothing brought up.

P802.1CQ contributions

Antonio presents the detailed contribution,

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0071-00-CQ00-proposal-for-mac-address-distribution-in-ieee-802-11-networks-using-the-mechanisms-of-ieee-802-11aq-pre-association-discovery.pdf

This document proposes and explains how to use standardized IEEE 802.11aq mechanisms for the distribution of MAC addresses.

Number of open questions identified requesting more people to review and comment.

Further discussions in Sept 25^th conference call, when 802.11 experts will be invited to comment.

The group discussed the plan for further socialization at November plenary.

The group agreed to meet again this week to discuss how to refine the scope, requirements and use cases on Thursday. Antonio offered to update the specification and slides.

P802.1CF comment resolution

Webex connection provided for remote participation of editor.

The group reviewed all comments starting with the must be satisfied comments.

The group agreed the intention to please commenters to find remedies for all comments regardless of appropriate proposed changes provided.

Several opens to be addressed by Max and Hao to produce remedy text.

Outcome of comment resolution were uploaded

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0070-01-CF00-d2-2-initial-sponsor-ballot-comments.xlsx

Recessed by chair at 18:00

Wednesday, September 12^nd, 2018

Reconvened at 11:00

Reminder-call for IPR: Nothing brought up.

Potential new project for OmniRAN TG

Kenichi present the slides,

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0072-00-00ic-data-attributes-for-qos-control-in-factory-scenario.pdf

The issue is the demand for a unified traffic/stream specification for all kind of traffic occurring in FFIoT.

Chair indicates the generic descriptions of the traffic types in P802.1CF clause 6.5.1.2.

It was recommended to work out the capabilities of the stream specification protocol in 802.1Q;

The outcome of this investigation should be brought up to the whole IEEE 802.1 WG either in a joint TSN/OmniRAN session, or as agenda item of a TSN session.

A potential PAR could be addressed by TSN, but could also be in OmniRAN, if the target is not being bound to 802.1Q and more generic.

Recessed by chair at 13:00

Thursday, September 13^th, 2018

Reconvened at 08:30

Reminder-call for IPR: Nothing brought up.

P802.1CF comment resolution

The group continue to review the proposed remedy of the comments i-33 and i-46, as prepared by Hao and Max:

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0073-00-CF00-d2-2-comment-resolution-proposals.docx

Further discussion took place on the open comments and proposed edits are captured in the following document,

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0070-02-CF00-d2-2-initial-sponsor-ballot-comments.xlsx

Comment resolution will continue in the upcoming conference call with further input on open comments invited.

P802.1CQ discussions

Antonio led the group to review the current status of P802.1CQ

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0074-00-CQ00-current-status-ieee-802-1cq.pptx

Antonio presented the updated slides highlighting the idea of using 802.11aq methods for MAC address assignment

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0058-01-CQ00-enabling-pad-of-laap-using-ieee-802-11aq.pptx

Plan for P802.1CF sponsor ballot recirculation

Result of recirculation available for November plenary

Recirculation should start latest Oct. 20^th

Conclusion in conference call on October 9^th

Conference calls until November 2018 F2F

September 25^th, 09:00-11:00 AM ET

09:00-10:00: 802.1CQ, 10:00-11:00: 802.1CF

October 9^th, 09:30-11:00 AM ET

Status report to IEEE 802 WGs

Status report drafted by chair and reviewed by group. Agreed report uploaded to mentor

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0075-00-00TG-sep-2018-report-to-ieee-802-wgs.pptx

Next meeting

Conference call on September 25^th , 09:30 AM ET

AOB

None

Meeting adjourned by chair at 12:15.

***

	Meeting of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project 2018-09-13

INTERNATIONAL ELECTROTECHNICAL COMMISSION (IEC)

TC65: Industrial-process measurement, control and automation

SC65C: Industrial communication networks

Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Inc. (IEEE)

IEEE 802: LAN/MAN Standards Committee

IEEE 802.1: Higher Layer LAN Protocols Working Group

IEEE 802.1 TSN: Time-Sensitive Networking Task Group

Meeting: IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project
Meeting was based on the meeting announcement; see IEC collaboration tool http://collaboration.iec.ch/ and http://www.ieee802.org/1

Date: 2018-09-11 — 2018-09-13

Location: Oslo, Norway

IEC MT9 Convenor and IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project chair: Ludwig Winkel

Daily minutes by: Josef Dorr

Minutes compiled by: Ludwig Winkel and Jessy Rouyer

Published minutes: Collaboration tool http://collaboration.iec.ch/, and IEEE 802.1 web site http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/minutes/60802

Ludwig Winkel, IEC MT9 Convenor, and János Farkas, IEEE 802.1 TSN Task Group Chair, presided. Josef Dorr wrote the minutes.

At the beginning of the meetings on each day:

The IEEE-SA PatCom Patent Slides for Standards Development Meetings and the IEEE 802 Participation slide were presented (http://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/patcom/materials.html).

The Call for Potentially Essential Patents was made. There were no responses to the calls prior to the end of the week’s session.

The IEC MT9 Convenor reminded the IEC participants that patent rules similar to those of IEEE-SA apply in IEC, reminded all that patents required for use of the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile must be announced to IEC and IEEE and made available using the IEC licensing form, and reminded that presentations shall not have copyright marks or confidentiality information.

The agenda and the expected results of the day were reviewed and approved. The final agenda is in Annex A.

Draft minutes were reviewed at the end of the meeting.

Attendance:

Tuesday 11 September 2018

9:20 AM (call to order by Ludwig Winkel and János Farkas) to 5:40 PM

Ludwig Winkel and János Farkas:

• Welcomed the participants of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project, a joint effort of the:
  • IEC 65C/MT9/PT 60802 (TSN) Project Team, led by Ludwig Winkel; and
  • IEEE 802.1 Time-Sensitive Networking Task Group, led by János Farkas.
• Provided information about internet access, lunch, attendance log to the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project.

János Farkas and Ludwig Winkel gave a short status report of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project.

Karl Weber presented the LNI4.0 e.V. liaison request to IEEE 802.1 http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/liaison-LNI-4-0-request-access-drafts-0918.pdf requesting some of the TSN draft documents including IEC/IEEE 60802, and started to present Labs Network Industrie 4.0 e.V. and BMWi Competence Center 4.0 Augsburg http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/liaision-LNI40-Testbed-TSN-0918-v00.pdf

Disposition: The liaison request will be discussed in the plenary.

Josef Dorr presented Use Cases IEC/IEEE 60802 V1.2

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-industrial-use-cases-0918-v12.pdf

Disposition: Further discussion needed

Josef Dorr started to present Requirements IEC/IEEE 60802 V0.6

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-industrial-requirements-0918-v06.pdf

Disposition: Further discussion needed

Josef Dorr presented on the structure of the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Dorr-ProfileContribution-0918-v01.pdf

Disposition: Further discussion needed

Jordon Woods, IEC/IEEE 60802 editor, presented an initial proposal for the structure of the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile http://ieee802.org/1/files/private/60802-drafts/d0/60802-d0-1.pdf

Disposition: Further discussion needed

Astrit Ademaj presented 802.1Qcc findings http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cc-ademaj-QccFindings-0918-v02.pdf

Disposition: Further discussion needed

Karl Weber continued to present Labs Network Industrie 4.0 e.V. and BMWi Competence Center 4.0 Augsburg http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/liaision-LNI40-Testbed-TSN-0918-v00.pdf

Disposition: no further action required

Karl Weber presented Additional parameters for a bidirectional TSN communication with an underlying Sub-structure http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-weber-AdditionalParameter-0918-v01.pdf

Disposition: Further discussion needed

Tongtong Wang presented Multi-traffic transmission in industrial backbone network http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-chen-multi-traffic-transmission-on-backbone-0918.pdf

Disposition: Use case document will be updated accordingly

Taro Harima presented Minimum Traffic Types inside the TSN domain boundary http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-harima-minimum-traffic-types-0918.pdf

Disposition: Further discussion needed

Josef Dorr presented the last update of Use Cases IEC/IEEE 60802 V1.2

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-industrial-use-cases-0918-v12.pdf

Disposition: A new revision of the document including the proposed changes from the discussion will be provided

Wednesday 12 September 2018

8:00 AM (call to order by Ludwig Winkel) to 5:30 PM

Ludwig Winkel thanked the host for organizing the very interesting and enjoyable social event at the Oslo Opera House.

Josef Dorr continued to present Requirements IEC/IEEE 60802 V0.6

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-industrial-requirements-0918-v06.pdf and led a discussion about the last changes on this requirements document

Disposition: A new revision of the document including the proposed changes from the discussion will be provided

Jordon Woods presented Further IEEE802.1Qcc Discussions http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-woods-QccConfig-0918-v01.pdf

Disposition: Further discussion needed

Marius Stanica presented ListExecute Qbv StateMachine http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-stanica-qbv-statemachine-0918-v02.pdf:

Disposition: A requirement concerning Scheduled Traffic state machine / List Execute state machine will be added to the IEC/IEEE 60802 Requirements document. Three approaches are possible to handle identified gaps in relevant standards:

1. Fix a gap in the profile;
2. Fix a gap in the profile and communicate it to the community;
3. If a gap cannot be fixed in the profile, a solution from the standards community is required.

Jordon Woods, IEC/IEEE 60802 editor, a further update to the structure of the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile http://ieee802.org/1/files/private/60802-drafts/d0/60802-d0-2.pdf and led a discussion on the structure of the document.

Disposition: Further discussion needed

Josef Dorr continued to present on the structure of the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Dorr-ProfileContribution-0918-v01.pdf and led a discussion on the content of subclauses 5.1 to 5.3 of the document.

Disposition: Further discussion needed

Thursday 26 July 2018

8:00 AM (call to order by Ludwig Winkel) to 4:30 PM

Josef Dorr continued to present on the structure of the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Dorr-ProfileContribution-0918-v01.pdf and led a discussion on the content of subclauses 5.4 to 5.7 of the document. The conventions subclause was enhanced during the discussion.

Disposition: Further discussion needed; and updated version of the document will be uploaded

Steven Zuponcic presented Work Flow Discussion http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Zuponcic-WorkFlow-0918-v00.pdf

Disposition: Further discussion needed

Karl Weber led a discussion on whether “Coloring of cables” should be covered by the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile. Installation issues including coloring are defined in IEC 61918 and referenced by IEC 61784-5.

Disposition: No further action required

Ludwig Winkel and János Farkas gave a recap of the past days and an outlook for next meetings.

A straw poll for an IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project interim meeting in Feb. 2019 was conducted:

• Acceptance: 9 in favor, 2 against
• Continent: 13 in favor of Europe, 8 in favor of America
• Date: 10 in favor of 13-15 Feb., 8 in favor of 18-20 Feb., 5 in favor of 25-27 Feb.

Disposition: Ludwig Winkel will prepare a meeting proposal to be discussed at the Nov. 2018 IEEE 802.1 plenary meeting in Bangkok, Thailand.

Jordon Woods, IEC/IEEE 60802 editor, gave an overview of the current status and structure of the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile: http://ieee802.org/1/files/private/60802-drafts/d0/60802-d0-3.pdf

The IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project meeting adjourned at 4:30 PM.

Annex A

Agenda of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project meeting held in Oslo, Norway September 11-13, 2018

Tuesday: TSN with IEC/IEEE 60802 (single track)

(Storkvinten)

Edit
	Subject	Presenter	Affiliation	Length
9:00-13:00	Welcome and organizational issues, incl.: intro, participation	Ludwig Winkel	Siemens AG	25
		János Farkas	Ericsson
	Agenda	Ludwig Winkel	Siemens AG	20
		János Farkas	Ericsson
	Status of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project	Ludwig Winkel	Siemens AG	10
		János Farkas	Ericsson
	Liaison report on IEC TC57; TR IEC 61850-90-13	Maik Seewald	Cisco	1
	LNI 4.0 liaison	Karl Weber	Beckhoff	15
	Status report on use cases	Josef Dorr	Siemens AG	10
	Status report on requirements	Josef Dorr	Siemens AG	10
	Contribution to the draft	Josef Dorr	Siemens AG	30
	Editor’s explanation on Draft 0.1	Jordon Woods	Analog Devices Inc.	35
	Qcc findings	Astrit Ademaj	TTTech Computertechnik AG	30

Tuesday: Track A: IEC/IEEE 60802

(Storkvinten)

Edit
	Subject	Presenter	Affiliation	Length
14:00-18:00	LNI 4.0 TSN testbed	Karl Weber	Beckhoff	30
	Additional parameters for a bidirectional TSN communication with a underlying Sub-structure	Karl Weber	Beckhoff	60
	add on to use cases document: multi-traffic transmission on backbone: presentation and contribution	Lihao Chen, Tongtong Wang	Huawei	30
	add on to use cases document: Minimum traffic types	Taro Harima	Mitsubishi Electric	30
	Discussion on use cases	Josef Dorr	Siemens AG	30
	Review of minutes of the day	Josef Dorr	Siemens AG	20

Wednesday: Track A: IEC/IEEE 60802

(Storkvinten)

Edit
	Subject	Presenter	Affiliation	Length
8:00-18:00	Review agenda; expected results of the day	Ludwig Winkel	Siemens AG	10
	Discussion on requirements	Josef Dorr	Siemens AG	40
	Network Management Model	Jordon Woods	Analog Devices Inc.	90
	Qbv state machines	Marius Stanica	ABB	60
	Finalize requirements	Josef Dorr	Siemens AG	5
	Discussion on draft profile document	Jordon Woods	Analog Devices Inc.	60
	Discussion on profile contribution	Josef Dorr	Siemens AG	200
	Review of minutes of the day	Josef Dorr	Siemens AG	15

Thursday: Track A: IEC/IEEE 60802

(Storkvinten)

Edit
	Subject	Presenter	Affiliation	Length
8:00-13:00	Review agenda; expected results of the day	Ludwig Winkel	Siemens AG	10
	Discussion on profile contribution	Josef Dorr	Siemens AG	230
	Work flow discussion	Steve Zuponic	Rockwell Automation	30
	Cable coloring	Karl Weber	Beckhoff	30

Thursday: TSN with IEC/IEEE 60802 (single track)

(Storkvinten)

Edit
	Subject	Presenter	Affiliation	Length
14:00-18:00	Recap past days	Ludwig Winkel	Siemens AG	10
		János Farkas	Ericsson
	Next meetings	Ludwig Winkel	Siemens AG	30
		János Farkas	Ericsson
	Discussion on draft profile document	Jordon Woods	Analog Devices Inc.	40
	Review of minutes	Josef Dorr	Siemens AG	10
	P802.1CBdb Generic mask-and-match stream identification	Christophe Mangin	Mitsubishi Electric	45
	Qcc findings	Astrit Ademaj	TTTech Computertechnik AG	30

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Minutes of the IEEE 802 Nendica Meeting of 2018-09-11
Date: 2018-09-12
Author(s):
Name	Affiliation	Phone	email
Tim Godfrey	EPRI	650-855-8584	Tim.godfrey@ieee.org

Abstract

Draft Minutes of the IEEE 802 Network Evolution for the Next Decade Industry Connections (Nendica) meeting in Waikoloa, HI, USA, 2018-09-11.

Chair: Roger Marks

Recording Secretary: Tim Godfrey

Call to order

The Chair calls the meeting to order at 2018-09-11 19:30 Hawaii Time.

Minutes

Tim Godfrey volunteers to act as recording secretary.

Introduction

The Chair points attendees to the Nendica webpage https://1.ieee802.org/802-nendica. The Chair shows how to reach this webpage from the IEEE 802.1 website.

The Chair presents guidelines for IEEE-SA meetings and the IEEE Participation slide. The Chair reviews the IEEE ICCOM Guidelines, and the Nendica Procedures for IC activities.

The chair reviews the proposed agenda in https://1.ieee802.org/802-nendica/agenda-ieee-802-nendica-meeting/ (see approved agenda in Annex 1).

The agenda is approved at 7:42pm with unanimous consent.

The Chair reminds attendees to register their attendance using IEEE’s IMAT webpage. It was reported that 9 people were present in the meeting in Waikoloa, and another 11 were connected by electronic link to a meeting room at the IEEE 802.1 interim session in Oslo, Norway. (See attendance list in Annex 2.)

Approval of Minutes

The chair reviews the draft minutes of the 8-August Teleconference, in Nendica document 0046.

There is no discussion on document 0046. That minutes document was approved with unanimous consent.

Work Items

The Chair reported that the approved IEEE 802 Nendica Report on “The Lossless Network for Data Centers” is now published as Nendica Mentor document 0042.

The IEEE has not yet published the report in other venues, though IEEE Staff have offered to do so. The chair is expecting a corrected link at IEEE Xplore, as well as additional reference on the IEEE-SA web site and bulletins. He will continue to work with IEEE Staff.

Flexible Factory IoT (FFIOT)

Nader Zein is the FFIoT editor. Nader will lead the discussion on comment resolution.

Nader presents Nendica document 0055 “FFIoT Status Report.”

Review of comments on Call for Comments – 257 comments from 8 reviewers.

There were some late comments that are not included in the summary directly, only by reference to a URL.

There were 168 editorial and 88 technical comments.

Nader explains his judgement and proposed resolutions for editorial comments, as described in the spreadsheet document 0054. There are 17 comments that propose further discussion.

The plan is to agree to address editorial comments, discuss the 17 needing discussion, and schedule two teleconferences.

Objective is to have a new draft before the November 2018 meeting for circulation and comment collection. Nader asks if another 30 days is required for a recirculation comment collection. The Chair says there is no specific rule for the recirculation. There should be a judgement based on the extent of changes, but the Chair thinks that close to 30 days would be ideal, to allow careful review given the extent of the comments. Nader says he will try to initiate a recirculation collection 30 days before the November 13 next meeting date.

Nader says he intends to assign technical comments to some of the contributors. The Chair says that we should ask for volunteers to resolve comments, not restricting the resolution to the developers of the earlier draft.

The Chair notes that it would be useful to mention document 0054 in any revision of the document 0055, to indicate the source of the comments and proposed resolutions.

Nader presents the comment spreadsheet in document 0054.

There is extensive discussion on the comments and resolutions. Nader agreed to upload the 0054r1 to record the discussions and decisions made during the meeting.

Marks reviewed the external document NIST AMS.300-4 (“Guide to Industrial Wireless Systems Deployments”) for relevance to the FFIoT Work Item. It was observed that the document would be a useful reference and that some of the figures could be useful to add into the FFIoT draft. Also, some of the material was suggestive of subject matter that might be added to the FFIoT draft.

Future Meetings

It was agreed to schedule two teleconferences, 2018-09-27 and 2018-10-11, each 09:00-11:00 ET. If necessary, a further teleconference could be added.

Adjournment

The Chair adjourns the meeting at 22:35.

Annex 1: Approved Agenda

Topic	Subtopic	Subtopic Detail	Doc/Link	Type*	Lead	min
Opening	Call to Order	Nendica Meeting Overview	802.1-18-0053	I	Marks	2
	Identify secretary					1
	Introductions			I		1
	Guidelines for IEEE-SA Meetings		Guidelines for IEEE-SA Meetings	I		1
	IEEE 802 Participation		IEEE 802 Participation	I		1
	IEEE ICCOM requirements		IEEE ICCOM requirements	I		1
	Nendica Procedures		Nendica Procedures
Agenda	approval	any modifications to the Agenda		V		1
Update	Nendica Web Site		Nendica Web Site	I		0
	Nendica Mentor Server		Nendica Mentor Server	I		0
	Membership: none			I		0
	Attendance	Chair will announce password	http://imat.ieee.org	I		2
Minutes	No-op: document not available	Motion: To approve the 801.1-18-00XX as the minutes of the Nendica meetings of the week of 2018-07-09	Draft Minutes	V		5
		Motion: To approve the 801.1-18-0046 as the minutes of the Nendica teleconference meeting of 2018-08-02	Draft Minutes	V		2
Work Items
	Lossless Data Center Networks (LLDCN)	Publication status and dissemination		I	Marks	5
	Flexible Factory IoT (FFIOT)	Call for Comments status		I,D	Zein	10
		Call for Comments: comment resolution	Comments	D	Zein	100
		External document: Review for relevance	NIST AMS.300-4: Guide to Industrial Wireless Systems Deployments	I,D		10
		Plans		I,D	Zein	10
Future Directions
		Potential new Work Items		D		15
Future Meetings				I,D		10
		telecons [for FFIOT comment resolution; other topics too]		I,D
		Bangkok: 2018-11-13, [19:30-22:30]		I,D
New Business
		Any other business		I,D		3
Adjournment
						Total: 180
		*I=Information D=Discussion A=Action V=Vote

Annex 2: Attendance

13 individuals registered per IMAT

Name	Affiliation
Canchi, Radhakrishna	Kyocera International Inc.
Congdon, Paul	Tallac Networks; Huawei
DeLaOlivaDelgado, Antonio	Universidad Carlos III Madrid
Godfrey, Tim	Electric Power Research Institute, Inc. (EPRI)
Itaya, Satoko	National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT)
Kojima, Fumihide	National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT)
Koto, Hajime	National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT)
Marks, Roger	Huawei
Maruhashi, Kenichi	NEC Corporation
Riegel, Maximilian	Nokia Networks
Wang, Hao	Fujitsu Research & Development Center
Weber, Karl	Beckhoff
Zein, Nader	NEC Europe (NLE)