May 2018 Interim Meeting in Pittsburgh, PA, USA

Agenda

TSN TG Agenda

PDF of the following approved WG minutes (including links to PDFs of the minutes for the Maintenance TG, OmniRAN TG and IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project, each of which are also reproduced below)

IEEE 802.1 Working Group

21-25 May 2018 Interim Meeting

Pittsburgh, PA, USA

Meeting Minutes

The 802.1 Vice-Chair, John Messenger, presided as acting 802.1 Chair.

The 802.1 Recording Secretary, Jessy Rouyer, wrote the minutes in part based on input from

802.1 Task Group Chairs.

Attendance and affiliation

Last Name First Name Affiliation
An Hongming shawnee
Bechtel Gordon Bechtech
Bierschenk Jens Robert Bosch GmbH
Boiger Christian b-plus GmbH
Bottorff Paul Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P.
Canchi Radhakrishna Kyocera International Inc.
Chen David Nokia
Chen Feng Siemens AG
Congdon Paul Tallac Networks; Huawei
Cummings Rodney National Instruments Corporation
Dorr Josef Siemens AG
Elbakoury Hesham Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd
Ellegaard Lars Microsemi Corporation
Escudero-Sahuquillo Jesus University of Castilla-La Mancha
Farkas Janos Ericsson
Finn Norman Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd
Fontaine Mickael TransPacket
Garner Geoffrey Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd
Gilb James GA-ASI, USD, Gilb Consulting, Inc.
Gray Eric W Ericsson AB
Gunther Craig HARMAN INTERNATIONAL INDUSTRIES, INCORPORATED
Gutierrez Marina TTTech Computertechnik AG
Haddock Stephen Stephen Haddock Consulting, LLC
Hantel Mark Rockwell Automation
Harima Taro Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Hasegawa Akio Advanced Telecommunications Research Institute International (ATR)
Hemmer David International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC)
Henry Jerome Cisco Systems, Inc.
Holness Marc Ciena Corporation
Hotta Yoshifumi Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Jackson Thomas CoMira Solutions, Inc.
Karl Michael Marvell Semiconductor, Inc.
Kehrer Stephan Hirschmann Automation and Control, Inc.
Kondo Kenji Yaskawa Electric Corp
Laubach Mark Broadcom Corporation
Mangin Christophe Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Mansfield Scott Telefon AB LM Ericsson
Marks Roger EthAirNet Associates; Huawei
Messenger John ADVA Optical Networking Ltd.
Mustala Tero Nokia Networks
Nolan John Cavium
Nomizu Takuma Hitachi, Ltd.
Ohsawa Tomoki NICT
Ohue Hiroshi panasonic
Osagawa Daisuke Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pannell Donald R NXP Semiconductors
Potts Michael General Motors Company
Riegel Maximilian Nokia Networks
Rouyer Jessy Nokia
Sato Atsushi Yokogawa Electric Corporation
Seaman Michael Individual
Seewald Maik Cisco Systems, Inc.
Specht Johannes University of Duisburg-Essen and General Motors Company
Stanica Marius ABB AB
Stanica Marius-Petru ABB AB
Steindl Guenter Siemens AG
Sun Wenhao Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd
Tarui Isao Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Thompson Geoffrey GraCaSI S.A.
Unbehagen Paul Avaya Inc.
Wamsser Reiner IEC SC65C MT9-Member
Wang Haifei Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd
Wang Hao Fujitsu Research & Development Center
Wang Tongtong Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd
Winkel Ludwig Siemens AG
Wood Graeme British Standards Institution (BSi),
Rockwell Corp
Woods Jordon Analog Devices Inc.
Xu Li Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd
Yi Su Fujitsu Research & Development Center
Young James comms
Yu Xiang Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd
Zaim Farjad CoMira Solutions, Inc.
Zein Nader NEC Europe (NLE)
Zhou Richard (Yujia) Charter Communications
Zuponcic Steven Rockwell Automation

802.1 Officers and Management

Glenn Parsons  Working Group Chair
John Messenger  Working Group Vice-chair and acting Chair at this meeting, Maintenance Task Group Chair
Jessy Rouyer  Working Group Secretary
János Farkas Time Sensitive Networking Task Group Chair
Craig Gunther Time Sensitive Networking Task Group Secretary
Mick Seaman Security Task Group Chair
Max Riegel OmniRAN Task Group Chair
Roger Marks NEND ICA Chair
Ludwig Winkel IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project Chair
Jordon Woods IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project Secretary
Paul Unbehagen Website Maintenance
Hal Keen Email Maintenance

Task Group Meetings

Maintenance

Maintenance Task Group meeting minutes are incorporated into these minutes by reference and are available at http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/maint/2018-05-maintenance-meeting-v1.pdf.

OmniRAN

OmniRAN Task Group meeting minutes are incorporated into these minutes by reference and are available at https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0047-01-00TG-may-2018-f2f-meeting-minutes.docx.

Current status of OmniRAN Task Group activities (including future meeting announcements, past meeting and conference call minutes) is available via a wiki located at https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/bp/StartPage.

Security

Call to order: Monday March 21, 2018 at 2.00 PM.

The Security Task Group met:

  • Monday May 21, 2018: 2.00 PM – 5.00 PM.
  • Tuesday May 6, 2018: 10.00 AM – 12.30 PM, 2.00 PM – 5.15 PM.
  • Wednesday March 7, 2018: 9.00 AM – 12.15 PM, 3.00 PM – 4.00 PM.

The Security TG Chair, Mick Seaman, presided and wrote the minutes.

At the beginning of each day’s meetings, Mick Seaman presented the IEEE-SA PatCom Patent Slides for Standards Development Meetings (https://development.standards.ieee.org/myproject/Public/mytools/mob/slideset.pdf) and the IEEE 802 Participation slide (https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/17/ec-17-0093-05-0PNP-ieee-802-participation-slide-ppt.ppt). Mick Seaman made the “Call for Potentially Essential Patents” on each of these occasions. There were no responses to the calls prior to the end of the week’s meetings.

Participants:

  • Eric Gray, Ericsson [Monday AM, PM, Tuesday AM, PM, Wednesday AM]
  • Jerome Henry, Cisco [Monday PM, Tuesday AM, PM (part), Wednesday AM (part), PM]
  • Tom Jackson, CoMira Inc [Tuesday AM, PM, Wednesday AM]
  • Mick Seaman, Mick Seaman
  • Farjad Zaim, CoMira Inc [Tuesday AM (part), PM, Wednesday AM (part)]

Apologies for absence were received from James McIntosh and Brian Weis.

The draft agenda posted on the 802.1 website at https://1.ieee802.org/security/security-task-group-agenda/ was reviewed by the TG chair at the beginning of Monday’s meeting. This agenda was approved as follows:

  1. P802.1Xck Port-Based Network Access Control – YANG Data model

The initial Sponsor Ballot was not yet closed (due 31st May), so there would be no discussion at this meeting.

  1. P802.1AE-Rev MAC Security (roll-up and maintenance revision)

The initial Sponsor Ballot had closed and passed. Comments would be resolved during the meeting.

  1. P802E Privacy (Recommended Practice … for IEEE 802 …)

Draft D0.8, and in particular the changes suggested during the March 2018 meeting and now incorporated by the editor, would be discussed.

  1. A.O.B.
  2. Future meetings/teleconferences

The date/time of the P802E teleconference, proposed during the March meeting, would be decided upon taking into account the results of Doodle poll announced to the 802.1 and the ECSG Privacy reflectors.

Minutes of the discussions of these agenda items follow.

  1. P802.1Xck (Port-based Network Access Control – YANG Data Model)

There was no discussion of P802.1Xck at this meeting.

  1. P802.1AE-Rev (MAC Security, roll-up and maintenance revision)

Mick Seaman, P802.1AE-Rev editor, led the review of comments received in the initial Sponsor Ballot on draft 1.2. This ballot closed Friday May 18, 2018 with a 96% approval rate, and a 81% response rate. There were two Disapproves. The comments received (downloaded from IEEE MyProject during the meeting review) are at http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/ae-rev-drafts/d1/802-1AE-rev-d1-2-pdis0.pdf.

Disposition: All the Technical Required, Editorial Required, and General Required comments were reviewed by the TG. Other technical and editorial comments raising points of principle or significance were also reviewed. The remaining comments (a substantial fraction) were purely editorial and responses were left to the editor to complete after a general discussion. A sponsor recirculation ballot would occur once the responses were complete and the draft updated.

[The complete disposition of comments was made available post-meeting at http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/ae-rev-drafts/d1/802-1AE-rev-d1-2-dis.pdf, with an updated D1.3 draft at http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/ae-rev-drafts/d1/802-1AE-rev-d1-3-sponsor-recirc1.pdf.]

  1. P802E Privacy (Recommended Practice for Privacy Considerations for IEEE 802 Technologies)

Jerome Henry, P802E editor, led a discussion of http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/802-e-drafts/d0/802E-d0-8.pdf.

Discussion points included:

  1. The term “Personal identifiable information” (PII) might confuse readers new to the area. In the context of this standard (at least), PII is used to mean information identifying a person (‘personal identifying information’?) rather than information about the person. The definition (3.12) makes this clear. A similar and accepted misuse of language is the use of the term ‘suspicious person’ when ‘suspect person’ is meant (the ‘suspicious person(s)’ are those curious about the suspect).
  2. The title of clause 8 (Recommendations) should probably be changed to something more focused, since the entire document is a ‘Recommended’ Practice.
  3. Refer to ‘Clause’ or ‘Annex’ in, or when discussing, an IEEE Standard, rather than to ‘Section’.
  4. Initial steps in drafting privacy material for IEEE Std 802.1AS suggest that the questions asked in 8.2 would be best answered in an informative Annex. This is because the answers to these questions would take the form of a commentary on the standard itself, rather than normative provisions or information about their effect. Such ‘meta-comment’ material is often added to standards as a way of letting the holders of divergent points of view ‘have their say’ without actually changing what the standard prescribes/proscribes, but can obscure those normative provisions and should be actively discouraged. General observations, useful commentary, and description of the history of a standards development all have their place in informative annexes. A recommendation (“should”) in an informative annex is less likely to be misinterpreted as a conformance requirement of the main body of the standard, whereas use of conformance terms in the main body (in most 802.1 standards at least) can only relate to a claim of conformance relating to equipment (in general) being provided by a supplier to a customer.
  5. The focus of the text of 8.2 of draft 0.8 could be refined further to provoke thought and elicit relevant answers from standards developers.
  6. Clause 8.2 seems to duplicate much of what has already been said in 8.1. Could we not use just the 8.2 material, with the briefest of introductions (perhaps based on the first paragraph of 8.1.1) in its own clause (suitably titled, ‘Questions for standard developers’ perhaps). A further clause might then address the standards developers’ own development of advice to be passed to implementers and network designers. The nesting of clauses (4 levels) in Clause 8 seems excessive.
  7. We may have to be careful how we phrase some of the questions to standards developers. Some of them appear close to ‘are you an idiot’ – presuming that it is common to introduce largely unnecessary identifiers in protocol design.
  8. Most of the discussion and questions appear to assume a wireless (802.11 or 802.15) model. Wired (802.3) communication does not pass through the same “stages”. Where low-level security (802.1AE MACsec) is used, there is little if any communication prior to authentication as even neighbor discovery can benefit from a degree of trust in the information received. Discussion of subsequent exposure leads naturally to a point made in prior discussions: where is the attacker positioned and what access is afforded to that attacker (distinguishing for example between “on the medium” and “in the access point”, with possible ‘in the clear’ access to data encrypted on the medium and with knowledge of access rights and bandwidth profiles granted.
  9. The current discussion doesn’t fully disclose the attack potential of machine learning and its use to discover non-obvious correlations and hence PII, nor does it discuss the use of packet/frame length and packet transmission timing patterns as part of correlation and fingerprinting. Attackers will not restrict the information they collect and correlate to a particular ‘layer’ or technology in the communications stack. Some communication requirements have to be met by reserving bandwidth and timing transmissions, with policing information necessarily shared with service providing devices (intentionally and obviously facilitating packet to flow assignment).

Disposition: A rough ‘work in progress’ markup of the draft, used by the editor during the course of discussion (and including additional points) has been retained at

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/802-e-drafts/d0/e-henry-d0-8-discussion-may-2018-interim.pdf. A further draft 0.9 draft will be distributed prior to the June teleconference.

  1. A.O.B

No new items arising at this meeting.

  1. Future meeting/teleconference planning

The proposed June teleconference to discuss P802E was scheduled for June 26, 2018 at 9:00 AM Pacific Time and an announcement sent to the 802.1 and ECSG Privacy email reflectors with dial-in and WebEx details.

Time-Sensitive Networking

The Time-Sensitive Networking (TSN) Task Group Chair, János Farkas presided. Craig Gunther wrote the minutes.

At the beginning of the meetings on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, János Farkas presented the IEEE-SA PatCom Patent Slides for Standards Development Meetings https://development.standards.ieee.org/myproject/Public/mytools/mob/slideset.pdf, and made the Call for Potentially Essential Patents. There were no responses to the calls prior to the end of the week’s session.

Monday 21 May 2018

9:00 AM (call to order by János Farkas) to 6:30 PM, with a 1-hour lunch break

János Farkas presented the participation slide https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/17/ec-17-0093-05-0PNP-ieee-802-participation-slide-ppt.ppt, and the agenda for the TSN Task Group meeting week http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/admin-TSN-agenda-0518-v01.pdf.

Disposition: The agenda was reviewed and approved.

Geoff Garner, P802.1AS-Rev editor, presented P802.1AS-Rev/D7.0 Editor’s Report http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/as-garner-802-1AS-Rev-d7-0-wg-ballot-editors-report-05-18-v01.pdf, and led the resolution of the remaining comments received on http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/as-rev-drafts/d7/802-1AS-rev-d7-0.pdf.

Disposition: Continued in a later session.

Paul Congdon presented IEEE P802.1Qcz Congestion Isolation http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cz-congdon-ci-update-0518-v1.pdf.

Disposition: Update on proposed new project.

Jesus Escudero-Sahuquillo presented Responses to Qcz analysis in March http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cz-escuderosahuquillo-CIAnalysis-response-0518-v01.pdf.

Disposition: Update on proposed new project.

Tuesday 22 May 2018

9:45 AM (call to order by János Farkas) to 6:00 PM, with a 1-hour lunch break

János Farkas, P802.1CM editor, presented P802.1CM Editor’s Report http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cm-farkas-editor-report-0518-v01.pdf.

Disposition: Editor’s update on ongoing project and proposal for new 802.1CM amendment.

Rodney Cummings, P802.1Qcc editor, discussed the outcome of the Sponsor recirculation ballot on http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cc-drafts/d2/802-1Qcc-d2-3.pdf.

Disposition: Ballot disposition recorded in http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cc-drafts/d2/802-1Qcc-d2-3-dis-v1.pdf.

Norman Finn, P802.1CS editor, led the resolution of comments received on http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cs-drafts/d1/802-1CS-d1-4.pdf.

Disposition: Continued in a later session.

Johannes Specht, P802.1Qcr editor, led the review of the PAR modifications proposed in http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cr-specht-parmodification-0518-v05.pdf

Disposition: Continued in a later session.

Johannes Specht, P802.1Qcr editor, presented P802.1Qcr-D0.4 – Restructuring Contents of PSFP and ATS http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cr-specht-d04-0518-v03.pdf and led the resolution of comments received on http://ieee802.org/1/files/private/cr-drafts/d0/802-1Qcr-D0-4.pdf.

Disposition: Continued in a later session.

Wednesday 23 May 2018

8:00 AM (call to order by János Farkas) to 10:00 AM

The minutes of this session are incorporated into these minutes by reference and are available at http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/60802/2018-05-60802-meeting-v1.pdf.

10:30 AM to 12:30 PM

Marc Holness, P802.1Qcp editor, presented FINAL DISPOSITION OF SPONSOR BALLOT COMMENTS ON IEEE Draft P802.1Qcp/D2.2

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cp-drafts/d2/802-1Qcp-d2-2-dis-v03.pdf.

Disposition: Editor’s update on ongoing project.

Marc Holness, P802.1Qcx editor, presented IEEE 802.1Qcx (CFM) Data Model Update

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cx-mholness-YANG-Model-0518-v01.pdf.

Disposition: Editor’s update on ongoing project.

Scott Mansfield, P802.1ABcu editor, presented Draft YANG 802.1ABcu http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cu-mansfield-draft-YANG-0518-v01.pdf.

Disposition: Editor’s update on ongoing project.

Scott Mansfield presented YANGsters Status http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/yangsters-smansfield-status-0518-v01.pdf.

Disposition: For information.

Norman Finn, P802.1CS editor, continued the resolution of comments received on http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cs-drafts/d1/802-1CS-d1-4.pdf and presented Resolving issues in P802.1CS D1.4 with making TCP connections and exchanging Hellos http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cs-finn-hello-tcp-connect-0518-v01.pdf.

Disposition: Continued in a later session.

1:45 PM to 6:00 PM

Norman Finn, P802.1CS editor, continued the resolution of comments received on http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cs-drafts/d1/802-1CS-d1-4.pdf.

Disposition: Ballot comment resolution recorded in

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cs-drafts/d1/802-1CS-d1-4-pdis-v3.pdf.

Johannes Specht, P802.1Qcr editor, continued the resolution of comments received on http://ieee802.org/1/files/private/cr-drafts/d0/802-1Qcr-D0-4.pdf.

Disposition: Continued in a later session.

Paul Bottorff, P802.1Qcy editor, led the resolution of comments received on http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cy-drafts/d2/802-1qcy-d2-1.pdf.

Disposition: Continued in a later session.

Thursday 24 May 2018

8:00 AM (call to order by János Farkas) to 6:00 PM, with a 1-hour lunch break

Stephen Haddock, P802.1AX-Rev editor, led the resolution of comments received on http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/ax-rev-drafts/d0/802-1AX-Rev2-d0-3.pdf.

Disposition: Proposed ballot comment resolution recorded in

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/ax-rev-drafts/d0/802-1AX-Rev-d0-3-pdis-v01.pdf.

Paul Bottorff, P802.1Qcy editor, continued the resolution of comments received on http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cy-drafts/d2/802-1qcy-d2-1.pdf.

Disposition: Ballot comment resolution recorded and made available post-meeting in

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cy-drafts/d2/802-1Qcy-d2-1-dis-v1.pdf.

Feng Chen used New PAR for Resource Allocation Protocol – an amendment to 802.1Q http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-chen-resource-allocation-protocol-PAR-0318-v02.pdf in support of the development of a new PAR (http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-chen-RAP-PAR-0518-v04.pdf)

and CSD (http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-chen-resource-allocation-protocol-CSD-0518-v02.pdf) for a proposed Resource Allocation Protocol (RAP).

Disposition: Continued in a later session.

Barak Gafni presented Need For Advanced Congestion Mitigation In Modern Networks http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cz-gafni-ci-need-0518-v1.pdf

Disposition: Update on proposed new project.

Sam Sun presented New Simulation Results of Congestion Isolation (CI) http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cz-sun-ci-simulation-update-0518-v01.pdf

Disposition: Update on proposed new project.

Paul Congdon presented P802.1Qcz PAR and CSD Review http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cz-congdon-PAR-CSD-review-0522-v1.pdf

Disposition: New PAR targeted for pre-circulation for consideration for approval at the July plenary meeting.

Johannes Specht, P802.1Qcr editor, continued the PAR modifications proposed in http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/cr-specht-parmodification-0518-v05.pdf

Disposition: Modified PAR targeted for pre-circulation for consideration for approval at the July plenary meeting.

Johannes Specht, P802.1Qcr editor, continued the resolution of comments received on http://ieee802.org/1/files/private/cr-drafts/d0/802-1Qcr-D0-4.pdf.

Disposition: Ballot comment resolution recorded in

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/cr-drafts/d0/802-1Qcr-d0-4-dis-v00.pdf.

Norman Finn presented IEEE P802.1DC/contrib. Suggested text for Draft Standard for Local and metropolitan area networks — Quality of Service Provision by Network Systems http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/dc-finn-proposed-text-0518-v01.pdf.

Disposition: Related to new project; more discussion needed.

Don Pannell presented QUALITY OF SERVICE FOR PLCA http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-TSN-pannell-QoS-for-PLCA-0518-v02.pdf

Disposition: More discussion needed.

Geoff Garner, P802.1AS-Rev editor, continued the resolution of comments received on

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/as-rev-drafts/d7/802-1AS-rev-d7-0.pdf and presented

Possible Resolution of Comments 54, 55, 56, 57, and 83 Against 802.1ASRev/D7.0

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/as-garner-possible-resolution-of-several-comments-for-802-1as-d7-0518.pdf.

Disposition: Continued in a later session.

Friday 25 May 2018

8:00 AM (call to order by János Farkas) to 12:00 PM

The minutes of this session are incorporated into these minutes by reference and are available at http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/60802/2018-05-60802-meeting-v1.pdf.

1:00 PM to 3:00 PM

Feng Chen continued using New PAR for Resource Allocation Protocol – an amendment to 802.1Q http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-chen-resource-allocation-protocol-PAR-0318-v02.pdf in support of the development of a new PAR (http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-chen-RAP-PAR-0518-v04.pdf)

and CSD (http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-chen-resource-allocation-protocol-CSD-0518-v02.pdf) for a proposed Resource Allocation Protocol (RAP).

Disposition: New PAR targeted for pre-circulation for consideration for approval at the July plenary meeting.

Geoff Garner, P802.1AS-Rev editor, continued the resolution of comments received on

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/as-rev-drafts/d7/802-1AS-rev-d7-0.pdf and presented

Possible Resolution of Comments 54, 55, 56, 57, and 83 Against 802.1ASRev/D7.0

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/as-garner-possible-resolution-of-several-comments-for-802-1as-d7-0518.pdf.

Disposition: Ballot comment resolution recorded in http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/as-rev-drafts/d7/802-1AS-rev-d7-0-pdis-v01.pdf.

IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project

The IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project meeting minutes are incorporated into these minutes by reference and are available at http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/60802/2018-05-60802-meeting-v1.pdf.

Next meeting

9-14 July 2018, San Diego, CA, USA

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IEEE 802.1 Maintenance

Meeting

May 22nd, 2018

8:00am-9:30am – Minutes v1 (John Messenger)

Attendees: Finn, Norman; Seaman, Mick; Haddock, Stephen; Pannell, Don; Gunther, Craig; Garner, Geoff; Gray, Eric; Farkas, Janos; Boiger, Christian; Kehrer, Stephan; Congdon, Paul; Bottorff, Paul; Mansfiel, Scott; Wang, Tongtong; Fontaine, Mickael; Gutierre, Marina; Feng, Chen; Zein, Nader

The chair, John Messenger, introduced the agenda, showed the patent policy slides and made the call for patents. There were no responses.

  1. John presented the list of current vehicles (drafts) used for implementing maintenance items, and the current numerical status of maintenance items in the database. Details in the Maintenance Session Slides.
  2. The new maintenance items were discussed and progressed:
    1. 0205: Include regional Navigation satellite systems into IEEE 2Std 802.1CM
  3. Existing maintenance items were reviewed and updated.
  4. P802.1AC-2016-Cor-1/D1.2 has been out for Sponsor ballot. There were 3 comments. Comment resolution will be performed in this meeting. The plan is to forward this to RevCom in July.
  5. Liaisons: none.
  6. There were no proposed comment responses to review regarding ballots in ISO SC6.
  7. We reviewed the status of standards in the PSDO process, prepared by Karen Randall.
  8. See the session slides (http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/maint-messenger-session-0518-v3.pdf) and web-site (http://www.ieee802.org/1/maint.html) for further details and discussion.

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Minutes of IEEE 802.1 OmniRAN TG May 21st – 23th Meeting
in Pittsburgh, US
Date: May 30th, 2018
Author(s):
Name Affiliation Address Phone email
Hao Wang Fujitsu +86 010 59691521 wangh@cn.fujitsu.com

Abstract

Minutes of the IEEE 802.1 OmniRAN TG meeting at the IEEE 802.1 Interim Meeting in Pittsburgh, US on May 21-23, 2018

Since the last F2F meeting held in Rosemont, OmniRAN TG held four conference calls. The minutes and notes can be found on the mentor. They have been reviewed and accepted by the TG.

Confcall on 20th, March

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0032-00-00TG-mar-20th-confcall-minutes.docx

Confcall on 28th, March

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0036-00-00TG-mar-28th-1cq-confcall-minutes.docx

Confcall on 3rd, April

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0039-00-00TG-apr-3rd-confcall-minutes.docx

Confcall on 13th, April

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0041-00-00TG-apr-13th-confcall-minutes.docx

Monday, March 21st, 2018

Chair: Max Riegel

Recording secretary: Hao Wang

Call to order

Meeting called to order by Max Riegel at 09:00 hrs.

Chair set up the webex meeting to allow remote participation for P802.1CQ project.
https://nokiameetings.webex.com/nokiameetings/j.php?MTID=mfecb09822e5bee107eb9ed64b1a3272b

Meeting was guided by the slides uploaded and maintained by the chair:
https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0042-01-00TG-may-2018-f2f-meeting-slides.pptx

Minutes

Hao Wang volunteered to take notes.

Attendance

IEEE 802.1 meeting IMAT page was used for recording of attendance

Participants

Name Affiliation
Max Riegel Nokia Bell Labs
Hao Wang Fujitsu
Tomoki Ohsawa NICT
Akio Hasegawa ATR
Nader Zein NEC
Roger Marks EthAirNet Assoc.
Antonio de la Oliva UC3M/Interdigital-remote
Tomek Mrugalski ISC-remote
Bernie Volz Cisco-remote
Walter Pienciak Adv. Cog. Arch.-remote
Paul Nikolich Self
Hiroshi Ohue Panasonic

IEEE WG Guidelines

The chair presented the mandatory IEEE SA guideline slides and asked for anybody willing to make an IPR announcement.

No IPR declarations were brought up.

Agenda approval

Agenda as proposed in the chair’s meeting slides was presented and discussed.

Review of minutes

Reports

P802.1CQ contributions (Mo, 09:00 – 12:30)

Nendica related contributions review

Result of P802.1CF WG ballot

Comment resolution on P802.1CF-D2.0

Plan for 802.1CF-D2.1 draft

Conference calls until July 2018 F2F

Status report to IEEE 802 WGs

Next meeting

AOB

Agenda approved without further comments.

Schedule of the topics during the week

Chair discussed availabilities of the contributors and preferences to discuss the various topics.

Group agreed to arrange the discussion topics according to the following plan over the week:

Monday AM

P802.1CQ contributions

Monday PM

Review of minutes

Reports

Nendica related contributions review

Result of P802.1CF WG ballot

Comment resolution on P802.1CF-D2.0

Tuesday

Comment resolution on P802.1CF-D2.0

Wednesday

Comment resolution on P802.1CF-D2.0

Plan for 802.1CF-D2.1 draft

Conference calls until July 2018 F2F

Status report to IEEE 802 WGs

Next meeting

AOB

P802.1CQ contributions

Link-Layer Addresses Assignment Mechanism for DHCPv6

Bernie and Tomek presented the slides,

A major concern on following the hypervisor model for allocating MAC address to IoT devices is that link layer address is required to access to the medium, and establish link layer communications.

It is easy for the VMs to have a management entity, while it is not for the individual IoT devices.

Security concerns were brought up on how to identify the trustworthy participant; otherwise it would be serious threat to the system.

Discussions lead to a conclusion that both groups should work closely on the topic.

Self Address Assignment Mechanism

Antonio presented the update on self address assignment

    • https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0034-01-CQ00-proposal-for-ieee-802-1cq-self-assignment-part.pptx

It was pointed out that on wireless, there is no way to do multicast before association, but it can be done on wired medium.

It was asked how to identify which address is assigned by server and which is self-assigned.

It was concerned on how to deal with broadcast collision on the spectrum. And it was added by a participant that it should be taken seriously, because similar comments about the collisions in the spectrum are raised for 802.11aq.

It was pointed out a possibility that is with two-step protocol, one step for a pool assignment for AP and then assigned to individual devices.

Antonio collected the questions and comments and upload revision with short summary of issues after the session.

    • https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0034-02-CQ00-proposal-for-ieee-802-1cq-self-assignment-part.pptx

Chair will arrange 802.1CQ topics to the OmniRAN confcalls and make an announcement on the mail list.

Roger mentioned that he will bring the contribution previously presented in DCB to OmniRAN for discussion.

Review of minutes

Review the minutes of the 1CQ confcall;

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0036-00-00TG-mar-28th-1cq-confcall-minutes.docx

Review the minutes of 1CF confcall;

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0032-00-00TG-mar-20th-confcall-minutes.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0039-00-00TG-apr-3rd-confcall-minutes.docx

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0041-00-00TG-apr-13th-confcall-minutes.docx

Review the minutes of the March F2F:

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0028-00-00TG-mar-2018-f2f-meeting-minutes.docx

No comments were raised.

Reports

P802.1CQ transferred into OmniRAN. 802.1CQ documents will be also stored in OmniRAN filespace on mentor.

Nendica contributions

Nader introduced the report update, and technical details is separately presented by the individual contributors;

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0028-00-00TG-mar-2018-f2f-meeting-minutes.docx

Comments are raised on the latency requirement, saying for the industry automation the requirement could reach down to 100us on the wired medium.

It was pointed out that 802.1D is an outdated standard, and could be replaced with 802.1Q.

Lively discussions about the potential benefits of coordination in unlicensed spectrum. Demand for further information on potential coordinator functions was raised.

Result of P802.1CF/D2.0 WG ballot

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0045-00-CF00-d2-0-wg-ballot-disposition-table.xls

WG ballot passed with 71% return rate and 95% approval rate.

105 comments to be resolved.

Comment resolution on P802.1CF-D2.0

Processed as captured in revisions to the wg-ballot-disposition-table.

Java database will be set up for official documentation aligned to the CID numbering scheme of Excel table.

Results of resolution as progressed on Monday:

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0045-01-CF00-d2-0-wg-ballot-disposition-table.xls

Recessed by chair at 18:00

Tuesday, May 22nd, 2018

Reconvened at 10:00

Reminder-call for IPR: Nothing brought up.

Webex meeting was set up for comments resolution

Comment resolution on P802.1CF-D2.0

Processed as captured in further revisions to the wg-ballot-disposition-table.

The group discussed the concept of virtual network and virtualized network to address Hao’s comments. Along the discussions, scope of virtualized network became more clear.

The role of CIS in a virtualized scenario is to allow external access to the orchestrator, it is a service entity regardless the implementation details.

CID89: Backhaul definition as finally agreed: The portion of the access network between node of attachments and the access router.

CID73: resolution proposal as accepted:

Rephrase text in lines 579-582 to: On the datapath indicated by R1 and R3, the NRM covers all Physical and Data Link layer functions providing an integrated model for backhaul connectivity combined with user-specific connectivity functions as facilitated through the IEEE 802.1 bridging technologies.

Add footnote: In the telecommunication domain there is often differentiation between user plane functions and transport plane functions; The IEEE 802 access network reference model integrates both planes into a common model aligned to the layered networking capabilities of IEEE 802.1Q.

Results of resolution as progressed on Tuesday:

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0045-02-CF00-d2-0-wg-ballot-disposition-table.xlsx

Recessed by chair at 18:00

Wednesday, May 23rd, 2018

Reconvened at 13:00

Reminder-call for IPR: Nothing brought up.

Webex meeting was set up for remote participation

Plan for 802.1CF-D2.1 draft

Hao and Max providing figures through shared DropBox folder until June 5th

Conference calls on June 5th and 12th to complete editorial work

Chair will inform John about desire to go sponsor ballot after July F2F

Pre-announcement to EC

Establishment of sponsor ballot pool and MEC

Conference calls until Jul 2018 F2F

1hr Call on June 5th on conclusion of input for D2.1

1hr Call on June 12th on final editorial review of D2.1

Status report to IEEE 802 WGs

Status report drafted by chair and reviewed by group. Agreed report uploaded to mentor

https://mentor.ieee.org/omniran/dcn/18/omniran-18-0046-00-00TG-may-2018-report-to-802-wgs.pptx

Next meeting

Conference call on June 5th , 09:30 AM ET

AOB

Chair thanked Walter for remotely attending the meeting!

Meeting adjourned by chair at 15:17.

***

Meeting of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project

2018-07-11

INTERNATIONAL ELECTROTECHNICAL COMMISSION

TC65: Industrial-process measurement, control and automation

SC65C: Industrial communication networks

Meeting: IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project
Meeting was based on the meeting announcement; see IEC collaboration tool http://collaboration.iec.ch/ and http://www.IEEE 802.org/1

Date: 2018-05-23 — 2018-05-25

Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA

IEC MT9 Convenor and IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project chair: Ludwig Winkel

Daily minutes by: Jordon Woods

Minutes compiled by: Ludwig Winkel and Jessy Rouyer

Published minutes: Collaboration tool http://collaboration.iec.ch/, and IEEE 802.1 web site http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/

Ludwig Winkel, IEC MT9 Convenor, and János Farkas, IEEE 802.1 TSN Task Group Chair, presided. Jordon Woods wrote the minutes.

At the beginning of the meetings on each day:

The IEEE-SA PatCom Patent Slides for Standards Development Meetings and the IEEE 802 Participation slide were presented (http://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/patcom/materials.html)

The Call for Potentially Essential Patents was made. There were no responses to the calls prior to the end of the week’s session.

The IEC MT9 Convenor reminded the IEC participants that patent rules similar to those of IEEE-SA apply in IEC, reminded all that patents required for use of the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile must be announced to IEC and IEEE and made available using the IEC licensing form, and reminded that presentations shall not have copyright marks or confidentiality information.

The agenda and the expected results of the day were reviewed and approved. The final agenda: see Annex A.

Draft minutes were reviewed at the end of the meeting.

Attendance:

Last name First name Affiliation Wed 23 TSN + JWG (AM1) Wed 23 JWG (AM2) Wed 23 JWG (PM) Thu 24 JWG (AM) Thu 24 JWG (PM) Fri 25 TSN + JWG (AM) Fri 25 TSN + JWG (PM)
Bechtel Gordon Bechtech
Bierschenk Jens Robert Bosch GmbH
Boiger Christian b-plus GmbH
Bottorff Paul Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P.
Canchi Radhakrishna Kyocera International Inc.
Chen Feng Siemens AG
Congdon Paul Tallac Networks; Huawei
Cummings Rodney National Instruments Corporation
Dorr Josef Siemens AG
Elbakoury Hesham Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd
Ellegaard Lars Microsemi Corporation
Escudero-Sahuquillo Jesus University of Castilla-La Mancha
Farkas Janos Ericsson
Finn Norman Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd
Fontaine Mickael TransPacket
Garner Geoffrey Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd
Gunther Craig HARMAN INTERNATIONAL INDUSTRIES, INCORPORATED
Gutierrez Marina TTTech Computertechnik AG
Haddock Stephen Stephen Haddock Consulting, LLC
Hantel Mark Rockwell Automation
Harima Taro Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Hasegawa Akio Advanced Telecommunications Research Institute International (ATR)
Hemmer David International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC)
Henry Jerome Cisco Systems, Inc.
Holness Marc Ciena Corporation
Hotta Yoshifumi Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Karl Michael Marvell Semiconductor, Inc.
Kehrer Stephan Hirschmann Automation and Control, Inc.
Kondo Kenji Yaskawa Electric Corp
Mangin Christophe Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Mansfield Scott Telefon AB LM Ericsson
Messenger John ADVA Optical Networking Ltd.
Mustala Tero Nokia Networks
Nomizu Takuma Hitachi, Ltd.
Ohsawa Tomoki NICT
Ohue Hiroshi panasonic
Osagawa Daisuke Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pannell Donald NXP Semiconductors
Potts Michael General Motors Company
Rouyer Jessy Nokia
Sato Atsushi Yokogawa Electric Corporation
Seewald Maik Cisco Systems, Inc.
Specht Johannes University of Duisburg-Essen and General Motors Company
Stanica Marius-Petru ABB AB
Steindl Guenter Siemens AG
Sun Wenhao Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd
Tarui Isao Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Unbehagen Paul Avaya Inc.
Wamsser Reiner IEC SC65C MT9-Member
Wang Hao Fujitsu Research & Development Center
Wang Tongtong Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd
Winkel Ludwig Siemens AG
Wood Graeme British Standards Institution (BSi), Rockwell Corp
Woods Jordon Analog Devices Inc.
Yi Su Fujitsu Research & Development Center
Yu Xiang Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd
Zein Nader NEC Europe (NLE)
Zhou Richard Charter Communications
Zuponcic Steven Rockwell Automation

Wednesday 23 May 2018

8:00 AM (call to order by Ludwig Winkel and János Farkas) to 10:00 AM

Ludwig Winkel and János Farkas:

  • Welcomed the participants of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project, a joint effort of the:
    • IEC 65C/MT9/PT 60802 (TSN) Project Team, led by Ludwig Winkel; and
    • IEEE 802.1 Time-Sensitive Networking Task Group, led by János Farkas.
  • Provided information about emergency exits, internet access, copyrights and IPR, lunch, attendance log to the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project and whole TSN TG sessions.
  • Noted that the term Joint Working Group (JWG) for the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project was used at the beginning based on the usage in the IEC/IEEE guideline for the joint effort.
  • Noted that the PAR for the 60802 project was approved and that Ludwig Winkel was appointed chair of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project in charge of developing IEC/IEEE 60802 Time-Sensitive Networking Profile for Industrial Automation.

Ludwig Winkel noted that the presented documents are also in the IEC document repository, called Collaboration Tool: see http://collaboration.iec.ch/. The IEC dashboard contains official IEC documents circulated to the national committees (NCs): see whttp://www.IEC.ch.

Ludwig Winkel presented IEC/IEEE cooperation on TSN rev06 http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/admin-IEC-IEEE-JWG-cooperation-process-0118.pdf

Disposition: No draft document so far, just contributions and liaison documents.

János Farkas discussed the possibility of a joint IEEE-IETF meeting immediately preceding the November IEEE 802 plenary meeting in Bangkok, Thailand.

Disposition: A straw poll covering this subject was planned for Friday.

Norman Finn presented Joint TSN/IEC/DetNet meeting in Bangkok http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/admin-joint-tsn-iec-detnet-bangkok-0518-v01.pdf

Disposition: Further discussions during the topic “next meetings”.

Wednesday 23 May 2018

9:00 AM (call to order by Ludwig Winkel) to 6:00 PM, with a 1-hour lunch break

Josef Dorr presented Use Cases Status Update 2018-05-14 http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-dorr-use-cases-status-update-0518-v01.pdf

Disposition: Continued in a later session.

Jordon Woods presented Accumulated switch latency in industrial applications Call for Interest DRAFT http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-woods-nea-accumulated-latency-0518-v01.pdf

Disposition: Interested parties were invited to participate to the NEA activity.

Günter Steindl presented Industrial guidelines available at IEEE802.1 private provided by IEC liaison “PROFIBUS & PROFINET International (PI)” http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Steindl-Industrial-guidelines-0518-v01.pdf

Disposition: Group agreed to put listed reference materials to the restricted area; they are available at: http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/liaisons.

Taro Harima presented TSN-IA Use Case Proposal Hierarchical Domain based Network http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-harima-industrial-use-case-0518-v04.pdf

Disposition: Further discussions needed.

Marius Stanica and Josef Dorr presented Use Cases IEC/IEEE 60802 http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-stanica-enzinger-comments-industrial-use-cases-0518-v01.pdf

Disposition: Further discussions needed.

Graeme Wood presented GW v3 comments on TSN 60802 preCD rev6p0 http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-wood-comments-IEC-65c-preCD-rev6p0-0518-v03.pdf

Disposition: Comments will be considered when an initial IEC/IEEE 60802 draft becomes available.

Thursday 24 May 2018

8:00 AM (call to order by Ludwig Winkel) to 6:00 PM, with a 1-hour lunch break

Mark Hantel and Steve Zuponcic presented POLICY BASED CONFIGURATION http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Hantel-Zuponcic-Policy-Based-Configuration-0518-v01.pdf

Disposition: Further discussions needed.

Josef Dorr continued discussing Use Cases Status Update 2018-05-14 http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-dorr-use-cases-status-update-0518-v01.pdf

Disposition: Josef Dorr will incorporate the feedback received during this meeting and finalize his contribution in two weeks. The use cases in this contribution will be used for development of profile requirements. It was recognized that additional use case contributions may be provided and if accepted, will be the basis for a next edition. After a week review period, the topic will be discussed on the next scheduled teleconference.

Josef Dorr presented Use cases and Requirements IEC/IEEE 60802 http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-dorr-TSN-IA-requirements-0518-v01.pdf and led a discussion on improving use case requirements. Participants of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project were encouraged to give their input for their major market relevance according to clause 2.4.1.1 of the use case document.

Disposition: Josef Dorr will incorporate the feedback received during this meeting and finalize his contribution. Revised document will be available two weeks prior to the July 2018 IEEE 802.1 plenary meeting in San Diego, CA, USA.

Marius Stanica presented TSN System requirements http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-stanica-tsn-system-requirements-0518-v02.pdf.

Disposition: Marius Stanica will work with Josef Dorr to integrate identified additional requirements into an update of the Use cases and Requirements IEC/IEEE 60802 contribution by two weeks prior to the July 2018 IEEE 802.1 plenary meeting in San Diego, CA, USA. It was also agreed that this contribution will be used to guide the drafting of the profile. The use case and system requirements documents are not intended to be part of the profile.

Friday 25 May 2018

8:00 AM (call to order by Ludwig Winkel and János Farkas) to 12:00 PM

Ludwig Winkel presented How to write and use standards http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Winkel-Principles-of-Standards-0518-v0.pdf

Disposition: A definition was provided for the compatibility levels. IEC/IEEE 60802 could be implemented in one box or distributed in several boxes and can be combined with implementations of other standards.

Nader Zein presented Flexible Factory IoT (FFIoT) – Enhancement to 802 technologies http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-FFIoT-Zein-FFIoT-Enhancement-to-802-technologies-0518-v00.pdf

Disposition: Information provided for a next generation project. More discussions needed.

Günter Steindl presented Model issues identified during Rosemount / Pittsburgh meetings http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Steindl-Observations-0518-v01.pdf.

Disposition: The discussion focused on laying the ground for an initial IEC/IEEE 60802 draft.

Ludwig Winkel presented IEC/IEEE 60802 Winkel – Schedule, Milestones – 05.18 http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-winkel-schedule-milestones-0518-v00.pdf

Disposition: The work flow shows how the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project intends to work. The first draft of the project schedule with milestones was accepted.

János Farkas presented an overview of the ongoing May 2018 meeting (https://1.ieee802.org/iec-ieee-60802-tsn-profile-for-industrial-automation/), Ludwig Winkel presented details of the upcoming Frankfurt, July 2018, meeting (http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/admin-60802-Winkel-Meeting-Logistics-Frankfurt-0518-v00.pdf), and they had straw polls.

Disposition: The straw polls had the following results:

  • Interested to participate joint TSN/IEC/DetNet: 25
  • Have the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project meeting in Bangkok: 22
  • Don’t have the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project meeting in Bangkok: 0
  • Interested to participate joint TSN/IEC/DetNet: 25
    • Who would come if we held a joint TSN/IEC/DetNet on:
      • Friday 9? 10
      • Saturday 10? 15
      • Sunday 11? 29
  • IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project meeting in Bangkok
    • Who prefers:
      • Starting on Monday (2.5 days: Mon-Wed)? 18
      • Starting on Tuesday (2.25 days)? 11
      • Starting on Wednesday (2 days)? 2
      • From Monday to Thursday? 4
  • The decisions will be taken during the next plenary by motions.

Adjournment of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project meeting: Based on additional time needed in the TSN TG, the common session and the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project were adjourned at 12:00.

Annex A

Agenda of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project meeting held in Pittsburgh, PA, USA May 23-25, 2018
Rev rev4 Ludwig Winkel (Convenor IEC SC65C/MT9 and chair of IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project);
János Farkas (chair of IEEE 802.1 TSN TG)
Key:   means Joint meeting of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project and the IEEE 802.1 TSN TG
Mi 23.05.2018   [h:min] [min] Topics Responsible
Common session 08:00 08:10 10 Welcome and organizational issues: Emergency exits, Internet access, Copyrights and IPR, lunch, etc. to the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project + TSN TG (whole TSN TG) Ludwig, János
Room 08:10 08:20 10 Membership, attendees registration (IEEE imat), roster; administrivia János, Ludwig
Monongahela 08:20 08:25 5 IETF joint meeting in Bangkok János
17th Floor 08:25 08:45 20 Agenda Ludwig, János
  08:45 08:55 10 Organizational issues (IEC.ch, CollTool; document repository) Ludwig, János
  08:55 09:00 5 Joint WG (JWG) TSN with IEEE 802.1 Ludwig, János
  09:00 09:15 15 IEC/IEEE JWG cooperation process Ludwig
  09:15 09:15
  09:15 09:25 10 Status of “use cases” Josef
  09:25 09:30 5 Update on the NEA on accumulated latency Jordon
  09:30 09:40 10 PI Guidelines see http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/liaisons Günter
  09:40 09:45 5 IETF joint meeting in Bangkok Norm
  09:45 10:40 55 Continue discussion of Taro’s contribution Taro
  10:40 11:10 30 Break
Trk A: JWG 11:10 12:30 80 Comments on uses case document Marius, Josef
Room 12:30 13:50 80 Lunch
Frick 13:50 15:00 70 Comments on uses case document Marius, Josef
Conference 15:00 15:30 30 Break
Level 15:30 17:30 120 Comments on uses case document Marius, Josef
  17:30 18:00 30 Comments on IEC65c-preCD-rev6p0 Greame
  18:00 18:00
  18:00 18:00
  18:00 18:00
  18:00 18:00 0 Review of minutes of the day Minute maker
  18:00     Recess of IEC/IEEE 60802 meeting
       
Do 24.05.2018   [h:min] [min] Topics Responsible
Trk A: JWG 08:00 08:10 10 Review Agenda; expected results of the day Ludwig, János
Room 08:10 09:10 60 Policy Based Configuration Mark
Frick 09:10 09:30 20 Finalize use case document Ed1 Josef
Conference 09:30 10:30 60 Mapping of the use cases to the existing requirments Josef
Level 10:30 10:30
  10:30 11:00 30 Break
  11:00 11:00
  11:00 12:30 90 Improving the requirement list based on use cases Josef
  12:30 14:00 90 Lunch
  14:00 15:05 65 Improving the requirement list based on use cases Josef
  15:05 15:35 30 Break
  15:35 15:50 15 Improving the requirement list based on use cases Josef
  15:50 17:50 120 Requirements based on other organizations Marius
  17:50 17:55 5 Finalize requirement list Ed1 Josef
  17:55 17:55
  17:55 18:10 15 Review of meeting minutes Minute maker
  18:10     Recess of IEC/IEEE 60802 meeting
       
Fr 25.05.2018   [h:min] [min] Topics Responsible
Common 08:00 08:10 10 Review Agenda; expected results of the day Ludwig, János
session 08:10 08:20 10 Recap past 2 days Ludwig, János
Room 08:20 09:20 60 Next meetings Ludwig, János
Monongahela 17th Floor 09:20 10:00 40 General considerations about standards Ludwig
10:00 10:40 40 Flexible Factory IoT (FFIoT) approach to TSN Nader
10:40 11:05 25 Break
11:05 11:40 35 Technical discussions to prepare the draft Günter
11:40 11:45 5 Identify and discuss IEEE 802 gaps for TSN-IA profile Ludwig, János
  11:45 11:55 10 Workplan Ludwig
  11:55 12:00 5 Summary of the 3 days Ludwig, János
  12:00 12:00 0 Adjournment of IEC/IEEE 60802 meeting

 

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