TSN Task Group Agenda

The TSN TG agenda gives precedence to formally submitted maintenance requests on published standards, approved projects, PAR (Project Authorization Request) development previously approved by the IEEE 802.1 WG, and other matters arising, in that order.

Contributions must be uploaded to the 802.1 file server and made accessible to meeting or conference call attendees before the presentation of the contribution begins.

The relevant posts provide the TSN agenda and the minutes of former meetings, including further 802.1 agendas and material.

Agenda requests

TSN agenda requests are on email basis. Please use the following format, otherwise your agenda request may be missed.

For the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project on TSN Profile for Industrial Automation, please email ludwig.winkel@siemens.com and cc janos.farkas@ericsson.com. Please use the appropriate subject line in your email:
AGENDA REQUEST 60802 – CALL – $date$
AGENDA REQUEST 60802 – F2F – $meeting$

For generic TSN topics, please email janos.farkas@ericsson.com. Please use the appropriate subject line in your email:
AGENDA REQUEST TSN – CALL – $date$
AGENDA REQUEST TSN – F2F – $meeting$

In the subject line of your email, please replace $date$ or $meeting$ with the appropriate value. In case of a call, please give the date of the Monday you’d like to have your topic discussed, e.g.,: AGENDA REQUEST TSN – CALL – May 11, 2018. In case of a f2f meeting, please give the meeting where you’d like to have your topic discussed, e.g.,: AGENDA REQUEST TSN – F2F – Plenary, November, 2018.

In the body of your email, please provide the title of your contribution, the estimated time, and your affiliation.

November 2018 Plenary Meeting in Bangkok, Thailand

Please, register here for the workshop of the IETF DetNet WG and the IEEE 802.1 TSN TG on November 11 Sunday, which is between IETF 103 (note the important dates) and the IEEE 802 Plenary. In order to participate the workshop, registration is required, which is separate from that of IETF 103 and the IEEE 802 Plenary. Registration for the workshop is at no cost.

The TSN TG is going to meet next Monday through Thursday during the IEEE 802 Plenary Meeting in Bangkok, Thailand, November 12-15, 2018. The first TSN meeting will start at 8:00 am on Monday, the last TG meeting will end at 12:30 pm on Thursday, followed by the 802.1 WG Closing Plenary.

Generic TSN topics are going to be discussed from Monday to Thursday.

The work on the IEC/IEEE 60802 TSN Profile for Industrial Automation joint project will take place from Monday to Wednesday (Nov 12-14).

Agenda Overview

 Sunday
(8:00-18:00)
Monday
(8:00-18:00)
Tuesday
(8:00-18:00)
Wednesday
(8:00-18:00)
Thursday
(8:00-18:00)
AM1DetNet - TSN workshop (whole day)TSN with IEC/IEEE 60802MTN TGTrack A: 60802Track BTSN
AM2Opening PlenaryTrack A: 60802Track B
PM1Track A: 60802Track BClosing Plenary
PM2TSN with IEC/IEEE 60802
802.24 - 802.1 TSN

TSN agenda in a week view is available.

Please note that the TSN agenda is subject to change based on progress etc.

Sunday: DetNetTSN joint session

The IETF DetNet WG and the IEEE 802.1 TSN TG will have workshop in Bangkok on November 11 Sunday, which is between IETF 103 (note the important dates) and the IEEE 802 Plenary. In order to participate the workshop, registration is required, which is separate from that of IETF 103 and the IEEE 802 Plenary. Registration for the workshop is at no cost. The same registration page allows you to register for the data center workshop on November 10.

Please, register here if you are planning to attend; registration is required.

Contact detnet-chairs@ietf.org with questions, comments.

Meeting Room: Thai Chitlada #2 (2nd Floor)

  SubjectDiscussion LeaderAffiliationLength
8:00-10:00AM1
Introduction & Meeting Objectives (IEEE-SA & IEEE 802 participation )
Please register your attendance at IMAT while connected to meeting WiFi
Lou BergerLabN Consulting LLC20
János FarkasEricsson
Working/Task Group Overview
TSN TG overviewJános FarkasEricsson15
DetNet WG overviewLou BergerLabN Consulting LLC15
Basic Concepts and Services
TSN (with Q&A)János FarkasEricsson30
DetNet (with Q&A)Balázs VargaEricsson30
Break30
10:30-12:30AM2
Flow Definition and Identification, QoS Service definition and parameters
TSNNorm FinnHuawei30
DetNetBalázs VargaEricsson30
Discussion: DetNet/TSN Flow/QoS mapping
Mapping between DetNet and TSNNorm FinnHuawei30
DiscussionNorm FinnHuawei40
Lunch break60
13:30-15:40PM1
Configuration and Control
TSN: SRP, LRP, RAP, and YANGFeng ChenSiemens AG20
Norm FinnHuawei
Rodney CummingsNational Instruments
DetNet: Control plane tomorrowLou BergerLabN Consulting LLC30
DetNet: YANG todayMach ChenHuawei
Break20
16:00-18:00PM2
Security
DetNet and TSN securityTal MizrahiHuawei Network.IO Innovation Lab30
Discussion10
Applications & Use Cases
DetNet Use CasesEthan GrosmannDolby20
IEC/IEEE 60802 TSN Profile for Industrial AutomationLudwig WinkelSiemens AG20
IEC 61850-90-13 Deterministic Networking for Power AutomationMaik SeewaldCisco20
TSN for Service Provider NetworksTongtong WangHuawei20
Key Takeaways and Next Steps (last slide)Lou BrgerLabN Consulting LLC10
János FarkasEricsson

Monday: TSN with IEC/IEEE 60802

(single track)
Great Hall-Mtg#1 – 7th Floor

 SubjectPresenterAffiliationLength
8:00-10:00AM1
Welcome and organizational issues, incl.: intro, participationLudwig WinkelSiemens AG15
János FarkasEricsson
AgendaLudwig WinkelSiemens AG25
János FarkasEricsson
Report on the DetNet - TSN workshop (last slide)János FarkasEricsson5
Ludwig WinkelSiemens AG
LNI4.0János FarkasEricsson5
IEC TC57WG10
Avnu Submissions for 60802
Status of use cases, Status of requirementsJosef DorrSiemens AG5
Status of the draftJordon WoodsAnalog Devices Inc.5
Conformity AssessmentSteve ZuponicRockwell Automation30
Ludwig WinkelSiemens AG
Next meetingsLudwig WinkelSiemens AG10
János FarkasEricsson
Status of the NEA on accumulated latencyJordon WoodsAnalog Devices Inc.10

Monday: Track A: IEC/IEEE 60802

Great Hall-Mtg#1 – 7th Floor

 SubjectPresenterAffiliationLength
13:30-18:00PM1 & PM2
TSN Common RequirementsTaro HarimaMitsubishi Electric30
TSN-IA DomainTaro HarimaMitsubishi Electric30
Requirement StructureTaro HarimaMitsubishi Electric20
TSN – Industrial Ethernet compatibilityLihao ChenHuawei20
Enhancement considerations for flexible factories with wireless linksKenichi MaruhashiNEC50
Gap analysis in 1Qcc for enhanced mechanism for Flexible FactoriesYoshihisa KondonATR50
Traffic types and their mapping to QoS/TSN mechanismsMark HantelRockwell Automation30

Monday: Track B: Generic TSN

Pavilion 1/2 – 4th Floor

 SubjectPresenterAffiliationLength
13:30-18:00PM1 & PM2
Incoming Liaisons:
LNI4.0
IEC TC57WG10
Avnu Submissions for 60802
SG15 LS125 fronthaul
SG15 LS164 sync update
IEEE 1914
SG15 LS153 G.8021 G.8013
SG15 LS159 YANG coord
expected results of the weekJános FarkasEricsson30
P802.1CS/D1.6 TG ballot comment resolutionNorman FinnHuawei Technologies Co. Ltd210

Tuesday: Track A: IEC/IEEE 60802

Great Hall-Mtg#1 – 7th Floor

 SubjectPresenterAffiliationLength
10:30-18:00AM2, PM1, & PM2
Review Agenda; expected results of the dayLudwig WinkelSiemens AG10
Comments on use casesMarius StanicaABB50
Mark HantelRockwell Automation
Theory of Operation for TSN-enabled SystemSteve ZuponicRockwell Automation25
Bridged and non-Bridged End StationsSteve ZuponicRockwell Automation35
Rules for gates control vs. inter packet gapGünter SteindlSiemens AG40
Expected behaviour when receiving a frame containing the own MAC address as Source AddressGünter SteindlSiemens AG
Comments on Industrial Requirements V1.0Thomas EnzingerB&R85
Marius StanicaABB
Additional requirementsThomas EnzingerB&R70
Profile contributionJosef DorrSiemens AG
Review of minutes of the dayJosef DorrSiemens AG30

Tuesday: Track B: Generic TSN

Great Hall-Mtg#3 – 7th Floor

 SubjectPresenterAffiliationLength
10:30-18:00AM2, PM1, & PM2
IETF Sub-interface VLAN YANG Data Models Lou BergerLabN Consulting LLC30
P802.1Qcx/D0.4 TG ballot comment resolutionMarc HolnessCiena60
P802.1Qcw/D0.2 TG ballot comment resolutionMarina GutierrezTTTech60
P802.1ABcu/D0.6 and Editor's updateScott MansfieldEricsson10
P802.1AS-Rev status updateGeoff GarnerHuawei 60
802.1CBdb Generic stream identification functionChristophe ManginMitsubishi Electric60
P802.1DC and QoS in DetNetNorman FinnHuawei Technologies Co. Ltd45

Tuesday: 802.24 – 802.1 TSN

(single track)
Great Hall-Mtg#1 – 7th Floor

 SubjectPresenterAffiliationLength
18:00-18:30Utility Applications of Time Sensitive Networking White Paper reviewTim GodfreyEPRI30

Wednesday: Track A: IEC/IEEE 60802

Great Hall-Mtg#1 – 7th Floor

 SubjectPresenterAffiliationLength
8:00-15:00AM1, AM2, & PM1
Review Agenda; expected results of the dayLudwig WinkelSiemens AG10
Profile contributionJosef DorrSiemens AG20
Editor's report on D0.4; draftingJordon WoodsAnalog Devices Inc.120
Event based controlMarius StanicaABB10
Link aggregationMarius StanicaABB10
Review of minutesJosef DorrSiemens AG5

Wednesday: Track B: Generic TSN

Great Hall-Mtg#3 – 7th Floor

 SubjectPresenterAffiliationLength
8:00-12:00AM1 & AM2
P802.1CMde PAR & CSD, commentsJános FarkasEricsson
TSN over 802.3cg - status updateCraig GuntherCraig Gunther Consulting LLC15
P802.1DG PAR & CSD, commentsMike PottsGM
P802.1DF PAR & CSD, commentsTongtong WangHuawei
13:00-15:00PM1
P802.1AX-Rev/D0.4 TG ballot comment resolution with Editor's reportStephen HaddockStephen Haddock Consulting, LLC120

Wednesday: TSN with IEC/IEEE 60802

(single track)
Great Hall-Mtg#1 – 7th Floor

 SubjectPresenterAffiliationLength
15:15-17:00PM2
Recap past daysLudwig WinkelSiemens AG10
János FarkasEricsson
Next steps on Conformity AssessmentSteve ZuponicRockwell Automation20
next meetingsLudwig WinkelSiemens AG5
János FarkasEricsson
Timeline 60802Ludwig WinkelSiemens AG10
Identify and discuss IEEE 802 gaps for TSN-IA profileLudwig WinkelSiemens AG45
János FarkasEricsson
Review of minutes Josef DorrSiemens AG15

Thursday: TSN

(single track)
Great Hall-Mtg#1 – 7th Floor

 SubjectPresenterAffiliationLength
8:00-12:30AM1 & AM2
Privacy considerations for bridged networks; with a presentationMick SeamanMick Seaman30
outgoing liaisons, e.g., responses to:30
ITU-T Q13/15 TSN for fronthaul
SG15 YANG coord
Avnu Alliance
IEC TC57WG10
LNI4.0
BBF
P802.1AX-Rev/D0.4 TG ballot comment resolution with Editor's reportStephen HaddockStephen Haddock Consulting, LLC
P802.1CS/D1.6 TG ballot comment resolutionNorman FinnHuawei Technologies Co. Ltd30
P802.1Qcz design topicsPaul CongdonHuawei 60

Deferred presentations

SubjectPresenterAffiliation
Contribution to P802.1Qcz Recovery of Congestion IsolationYolanda YuHuawei
Contribution to P802.1Qdd: Reservation for Stream with flow aggregation using interleavingFeng ChenSiemens AG
New work proposal: Summary of Enhancement considerations for flexible factories with wireless links and Gap analysis in 1Qcc for enhanced mechanism for Flexible FactoriesKenichi MaruhashiNES
Yoshihisa KondonATR
New work proposal: Support for per-Port Multiple Instances of ECP in 802.1QFeng ChenSiemens AG

Upcoming conference calls

The TSN TG holds weekly phone calls for generic TSN topics on Mondays from 8am PT. The first hour is typically for general TSN issues and the second our is typically for the 802.1AS revision work.

In addition, there are bi-weekly calls for the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project on Mondays from 6am PT.

Agenda details or cancellations are announced on the IEEE 802.1 email list (you can subscribe here). The following conference calls have been scheduled:

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Conference Call Details

Date/Time Mondays
Date and time of upcoming calls are listed above.
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Hong Kong – national +852.58.08.1989
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Israel – Tel Aviv +972.3.763.0434
Japan – Tokyo +81.3.4579.5983
Sweden – Stockholm +46.8.4030.8819
United Kingdom – London +44.33.0088.2634
United Kingdom – Manchester +44.161.820.1607
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However, each attendee must provide their full name, employer, and affiliation according to IEEE-SA rules.

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