July 2018 Interim Meeting in Frankfurt am Main, Germany

Agenda

PDF of the following approved IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project minutes

Meeting of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project

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INTERNATIONAL ELECTROTECHNICAL COMMISSION (IEC)

TC65: Industrial-process measurement, control and automation

SC65C: Industrial communication networks

Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Inc. (IEEE)

IEEE 802: LAN/MAN Standards Committee

IEEE 802.1: Higher Layer LAN Protocols Working Group

IEEE 802.1 TSN: Time-Sensitive Networking Task Group

Meeting: IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project
Meeting was based on the meeting announcement; see IEC collaboration tool http://collaboration.iec.ch/ and http://www.ieee802.org/1

Date: 2018-07-24 — 2018-07-26

Location: Frankfurt/Main, Germany

IEC MT9 Convenor and IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project chair: Ludwig Winkel

Daily minutes by: Josef Dorr

Minutes compiled by: Ludwig Winkel and Jessy Rouyer

Published minutes: Collaboration tool http://collaboration.iec.ch/, and IEEE 802.1 web site http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/minutes/60802

Ludwig Winkel, IEC MT9 Convenor, and János Farkas, IEEE 802.1 TSN Task Group Chair, presided. Josef Dorr wrote the minutes.

At the beginning of the meetings on each day:

The IEEE-SA PatCom Patent Slides for Standards Development Meetings and the IEEE 802 Participation slide were presented (http://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/patcom/materials.html).

The Call for Potentially Essential Patents was made. There were no responses to the calls prior to the end of the week’s session.

The IEC MT9 Convenor reminded the IEC participants that patent rules similar to those of IEEE-SA apply in IEC, reminded all that patents required for use of the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile must be announced to IEC and IEEE and made available using the IEC licensing form, and reminded that presentations shall not have copyright marks or confidentiality information.

The agenda and the expected results of the day were reviewed and approved. The final agenda is in Annex A.

Draft minutes were reviewed at the end of the meeting.

Attendance:

Last name First name Affiliation 24-Jul-2018, AM 08:00 – 12:30 24-Jul-2018, PM 13:30 – 17:30 25-Jul-2018, AM 08:00 – 12:30 25-Jul-2018, PM 13:30 – 17:30 26-Jul-2018, AM 08:00 – 12:30 26-Jul-2018, PM 13:30 – 16:00
Adachi Yoshiaki Hitachi, Ltd.
Ademaj Astrit TTTech Computertechnik AG
Bai Yu Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd
Belliardi Rudy Schneider Electric
Dorr Josef Siemens AG
Elbakoury Hesham Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd
Enzinger Thomas B&R Industrial Automation
Essler Florian Beckhoff Automation
Farkas Janos Ericsson
Feng Dongqin Zhejiang University
Fukuda Mamoru YASKAWA
Hantel Mark Rockwell Automation
Harima Taro Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Hemmer David PILZ
Hotta Yoshifumi Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Kehrer Stephan Hirschmann Automation and Control, Inc.
Kondo Kenji Yaskawa Electric Corp
Liu Dan ITEI
Qiu Wei Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd
Riegel Maximilian Nokia Networks
Rostan Martin Beckhoff Automation
Sato Atsushi Yokogawa Electric Corporation
Seewald Maik Cisco Systems, Inc.
Soeda Tatsuo Yaskawa
Stanica Marius-Petru ABB AB
Steindl Guenter Siemens AG
Wamsser Reiner IEC SC65C MT9-Member
Weber Karl Beckhoff
Winkel Ludwig Siemens AG
Wood Graeme British Standards Institution (BSi), Rockwell Corp
Woods Jordon Analog Devices Inc.
Zhao Yanling ITEI

Tuesday 24 July 2018

9:20 AM (call to order by Ludwig Winkel and János Farkas) to 4:00 PM

Ludwig Winkel and János Farkas:

  • Welcomed the participants of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project, a joint effort of the:
    • IEC 65C/MT9/PT 60802 (TSN) Project Team, led by Ludwig Winkel; and
    • IEEE 802.1 Time-Sensitive Networking Task Group, led by János Farkas.
  • Provided information about internet access, lunch, attendance log to the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project.

Maik Seewald presented the IEC TC57 WG10 effort on TR IEC 61850-90-13 Deterministic Networking http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Seewald-intro-to-IEC61850-90-13-0718.pdf (as already presented at the July 2018 meeting in San Diego)

Disposition: Further discussion needed

Josef Dorr presented Use Cases IEC/IEEE 60802 V1.0 status and led the discussion about the last changes on the document (http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-industrial-use-cases-0718-v10.pdf)

  • Comments from the group were added during the meeting to the document.

Disposition: Josef Dorr will update the document with the comments from the meeting by August 3, 2018.

Jordon Woods presented IEEE 802.1Qcc UNI and Traffic Specifications

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-woods-QccUNI-0718-v01.pdf

Disposition: Further discussion needed

Karl Weber and Florian Essler provided an additional use case contribution in Machine internal and Machine to Cell Controller (M2C) embedded Communication with Machine internal non TSN-communication subsystems http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-essler-additional-use-case-0718-v01.pdf

Disposition: Karl Weber and Florian Essler will provide a commented version of the use case document by July 25, 2018. Josef Dorr and Günter Steindl will assist in finding the essential missing issues. The presentation of the commented document will be on the July 25, 2018 agenda

Marius Stanica presented Coexistence & Convergence in TSN-based industrial automation networkshttp://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-stanica-convergence-coexistence-0718-v03.pptx covering configuration, traffic shaping and redundancy issues

Disposition: Further discussion needed

Wednesday 25 July 2018

8:30 AM (call to order by Ludwig Winkel) to 6:30 PM

Yu Bai presented Flexible Manufacturing System(FMS) — for Small Batch Customized Production http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Bai-small-batch-customized-production-0718-v01.pdf

Disposition: The presented use cases are already covered in the use case document.

Mark Hantel provided additional comments on the Use Cases IEC/IEEE 60802 V1.0 document http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Hantel-industrial-use-case-comments-0718-v10.pdf

Disposition: Josef Dorr will consolidate the comment resolution into the use case document by 2018-08-03.

Florian Essler and Karl Weber provided an updated version of the use case document with additions from their July 24, 2018 presentation Machine internal and Machine to Cell Controller (M2C) embedded Communication with Machine internal non TSN-communication subsystems http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-essler-industrial-use-cases-contribution-0718-v01.docx. Josef Dorr presented and led discussion on the updated document then revised it based on comments from the group.

Disposition: Josef Dorr will consolidate the use case document and provide a new revision by August 3, 2018. The requirements that are described with these use cases will be added to the requirements document.

Günter Steindl presented IEC / IEEE 60802 – IA profile Network diagnostics – what shall be detected? http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Steindl-NetworkDiagnostics-0718-v01.pdf

Disposition: The requirements that are described in this document will be added to the requirements document.

Günter Steindl presented IEC / IEEE 60802 – IA profile Example for Configuration Model Alignment http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Steindl-ConfigurationModelAlignment-0718-v01.pdf

Disposition: Further discussion is needed. The term CNC should be replaced by “network management” (e.g. for VLAN or traffic class setup). A contribution entitled “What is configured by a CNC – what by other mechanisms?” is expected for the September 2018 meeting in Oslo. There were comments that the title of the contribution is not accurate.

Josef Dorr started to present Requirements IEC/IEEE 60802 V0.3

http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-industrial-requirements-0718-v03.pdf, led the discussion then revised the document based on comments from the group.

Disposition: The presentation will be continued on July 26, 2018.

Thursday 26 July 2018

8:00 AM (call to order by Ludwig Winkel) to 4:00 PM

Josef Dorr continued presenting Requirements IEC/IEEE 60802 V0.3 http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-industrial-requirements-0718-v03.pdf, led the discussion then revised the document based on comments from the group. Revised document: http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-industrial-requirements-0718-v04.pdf

Disposition: Josef Dorr will provide a new revision of the requirements document such that it is in line with the updated use case document, both documents will be available by August 3, 2018. The updated portion of the revision will be presented and discussed at the August 27, 2018 conference call.

The requirements list shall be input to the drafting of the profile.

Ludwig Winkel provided a tutorial on how to draft an IEC document, especially profiles by walking through relevant IEC web sites (http://www.iec.ch/standardsdev/) and documents. Information on the drafting process of IEC documents (including styles and templates) is at http://www.iec.ch/standardsdev/resources/draftingpublications/.

Ludwig Winkel provided an initial skeleton draft.

Disposition: The IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project uses the IEC style guide.

János Farkas presented Contents of IEEE 802.1 TSN Profile Specifications So Far http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-farkas-contents-of-tsn-profiles-so-far-0718-v01.pdf.

Disposition: The so far published IEEE 802.1 TSN profiles and IEC fieldbus profiles in IEC 61784 can give ideas to the drafting of the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile.

Jordon Woods presented Editor’s Questions and assumptions re: The IEC/IEEE 60802 TSN Profile for Industrial Automation http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-woods-profilequestions-0718-v01.pdf.

Disposition: The IEC Document format will be adopted for the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile. Further discussion is needed.

The IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project meeting adjourned at 3:55 PM.

Annex A

Agenda of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project meeting held in Frankfurt, Germany July 24-26, 2018

24-07-18    
Tue 9:20   [h:min] [min] Topics Responsible
  9:30 9:30 10 Welcome and organizational issues (IEEE intro, IEC intro) Ludwig, János
Room 9:40 9:40 10 Membership, attendees registration (IEEE imat), roster; administrivia János, Ludwig
Ohm 9:40 9:40      
  10:00 10:00 20 Agenda Ludwig, János
  10:15 10:15 15 Liaison report IEC TC57; TR IEC 61850-90-13 Deterministic Networking Maik Seewald
  11:15 11:15 60 Status of use cases Josef
  11:15 11:15      
  11:15 11:15      
  11:15 11:15      
  11:15 11:15      
  11:15 11:15      
  11:55 11:55 40 IEEE802.1Qcc UNI and Traffic Specifications Jordon
11:55 11:55      
  11:55 11:55      
  12:35 12:35 40 Lunch  
  14:20 14:20 105 Machine internal and Machine to Cell Controller (M2C) embedded Communication with Machine internal non TSN-communication subsystems Florian
  14:20 14:20    
  14:35 14:35 15 Break  
  14:35 14:35      
  16:00 16:00 85 Convergence-coexistence Marius
  16:00 16:00 0 Finalize use case document Ed1 Josef
  16:00 16:00      
  16:00 16:00      
  16:00 16:00 0 Review of minutes of the day Minute maker
        Recess of 60802 JP meeting  
 
  25-07-18    
Wed 8:30   [h:min] [min] Topics Responsible
  8:40 8:40 10 Review Agenda; expected results of the day Ludwig
  9:10 9:10 30 Presentation 8 Huawei
Room 9:55 9:55 45 Hantel-industrial-use-case-comment-resolution Mark
Ohm 10:15 10:15 20 Break  
  12:35 12:35 140 Finalize use case document Ed1 Josef
  12:35 12:35      
  12:35 12:35      
  12:35 12:35      
  12:35 12:35      
  13:15 13:15 40 Lunch  
  13:15 13:15      
  13:55 13:55 40 Network Diagnostics Günter
  14:15 14:15 20 Modell Alignment Günter
  15:15 15:15 60 Status Requirement list Josef
  15:45 15:45 30 Break  
  15:45 15:45      
  16:45 16:45 60 Technical discussions All
  17:45 17:45 60 Requirements list Josef
  17:45 17:45      
        Recess of 60802 JP meeting  
26-07-18
Thu 8:00   [h:min] [min] Topics Responsible
  8:10 8:10 10 Review Agenda; expected results of the day Ludwig, János
Room 10:35 10:35 145 Update Requirements list Josef
Ohm 11:00 11:00 25 Break  
  11:10 11:10 10 Roadmap to finalize Requirement document Ed1 Josef
  11:10 11:10      
  12:20 12:20 70 Tutorial how drafting an IEC/IEEE document, especially profiles Ludwig
  12:20 12:20      
  12:20 12:20      
  13:05 13:05 45 Lunch  
  14:00 14:00 55 Tutorial how drafting an IEC/IEEE document, especially profiles Ludwig
  14:50 14:50 50 Contents of a profile document János
  15:35 15:35 45 Editor’s Questions and assumptions Jordon
  15:35 15:35      
  15:35 15:35 0 1st draft outline of IEC/IEEE 60802 Jordon
  15:35 15:35      
  15:55 15:55 20 Review of the minutes Minute maker
        Adjournment of IEC/IEEE 60802 JP meeting  

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