Meeting of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project
INTERNATIONAL ELECTROTECHNICAL COMMISSION (IEC)
TC65: Industrial-process measurement, control and automation
SC65C: Industrial communication networks
Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Inc. (IEEE)
IEEE 802: LAN/MAN Standards Committee
IEEE 802.1: Higher Layer LAN Protocols Working Group
IEEE 802.1 TSN: Time-Sensitive Networking Task Group
Date: 2018-07-24 — 2018-07-26
Location: Frankfurt/Main, Germany
IEC MT9 Convenor and IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project chair: Ludwig Winkel
Daily minutes by: Josef Dorr
Minutes compiled by: Ludwig Winkel and Jessy Rouyer
Published minutes: Collaboration tool http://collaboration.iec.ch/, and IEEE 802.1 web site http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/minutes/60802
Ludwig Winkel, IEC MT9 Convenor, and János Farkas, IEEE 802.1 TSN Task Group Chair, presided. Josef Dorr wrote the minutes.
At the beginning of the meetings on each day:
The IEEE-SA PatCom Patent Slides for Standards Development Meetings and the IEEE 802 Participation slide were presented (http://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/patcom/materials.html).
The Call for Potentially Essential Patents was made. There were no responses to the calls prior to the end of the week’s session.
The IEC MT9 Convenor reminded the IEC participants that patent rules similar to those of IEEE-SA apply in IEC, reminded all that patents required for use of the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile must be announced to IEC and IEEE and made available using the IEC licensing form, and reminded that presentations shall not have copyright marks or confidentiality information.
The agenda and the expected results of the day were reviewed and approved. The final agenda is in Annex A.
Draft minutes were reviewed at the end of the meeting.
|Last name||First name||Affiliation||24-Jul-2018, AM 08:00 – 12:30||24-Jul-2018, PM 13:30 – 17:30||25-Jul-2018, AM 08:00 – 12:30||25-Jul-2018, PM 13:30 – 17:30||26-Jul-2018, AM 08:00 – 12:30||26-Jul-2018, PM 13:30 – 16:00|
|Ademaj||Astrit||TTTech Computertechnik AG||●||●||●||●||●||●|
|Bai||Yu||Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd||●||●||●||●||●||●|
|Elbakoury||Hesham||Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd||●||●||●|
|Enzinger||Thomas||B&R Industrial Automation||●||●||●||●||●||●|
|Harima||Taro||Mitsubishi Electric Corporation||●||●||●||●||●||●|
|Hotta||Yoshifumi||Mitsubishi Electric Corporation||●||●||●||●||●||●|
|Kehrer||Stephan||Hirschmann Automation and Control, Inc.||●||●||●||●|
|Kondo||Kenji||Yaskawa Electric Corp||●||●||●||●||●||●|
|Qiu||Wei||Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd||●||●||●||●||●||●|
|Sato||Atsushi||Yokogawa Electric Corporation||●||●||●||●||●||●|
|Seewald||Maik||Cisco Systems, Inc.||●||●||●||●|
|Wamsser||Reiner||IEC SC65C MT9-Member||●||●||●||●|
|Wood||Graeme||British Standards Institution (BSi), Rockwell Corp||●||●||●||●||●||●|
|Woods||Jordon||Analog Devices Inc.||●||●||●||●||●||●|
Tuesday 24 July 2018
9:20 AM (call to order by Ludwig Winkel and János Farkas) to 4:00 PM
Ludwig Winkel and János Farkas:
- Welcomed the participants of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project, a joint effort of the:
- IEC 65C/MT9/PT 60802 (TSN) Project Team, led by Ludwig Winkel; and
- IEEE 802.1 Time-Sensitive Networking Task Group, led by János Farkas.
- Provided information about internet access, lunch, attendance log to the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project.
Maik Seewald presented the IEC TC57 WG10 effort on TR IEC 61850-90-13 Deterministic Networking http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Seewald-intro-to-IEC61850-90-13-0718.pdf (as already presented at the July 2018 meeting in San Diego)
Disposition: Further discussion needed
Josef Dorr presented Use Cases IEC/IEEE 60802 V1.0 status and led the discussion about the last changes on the document (http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-industrial-use-cases-0718-v10.pdf)
- Comments from the group were added during the meeting to the document.
Disposition: Josef Dorr will update the document with the comments from the meeting by August 3, 2018.
Jordon Woods presented IEEE 802.1Qcc UNI and Traffic Specifications
Disposition: Further discussion needed
Karl Weber and Florian Essler provided an additional use case contribution in Machine internal and Machine to Cell Controller (M2C) embedded Communication with Machine internal non TSN-communication subsystems http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-essler-additional-use-case-0718-v01.pdf
Disposition: Karl Weber and Florian Essler will provide a commented version of the use case document by July 25, 2018. Josef Dorr and Günter Steindl will assist in finding the essential missing issues. The presentation of the commented document will be on the July 25, 2018 agenda
Marius Stanica presented Coexistence & Convergence in TSN-based industrial automation networks” http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-stanica-convergence-coexistence-0718-v03.pptx covering configuration, traffic shaping and redundancy issues
Disposition: Further discussion needed
Wednesday 25 July 2018
8:30 AM (call to order by Ludwig Winkel) to 6:30 PM
Yu Bai presented Flexible Manufacturing System(FMS) — for Small Batch Customized Production http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Bai-small-batch-customized-production-0718-v01.pdf
Disposition: The presented use cases are already covered in the use case document.
Mark Hantel provided additional comments on the Use Cases IEC/IEEE 60802 V1.0 document http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Hantel-industrial-use-case-comments-0718-v10.pdf
- The comments were discussed and resolved during the meeting. The comment resolution was added by Mark Hantel to the document: http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Hantel-industrial-use-case-comment-resolution-0718-v10.pdf
Disposition: Josef Dorr will consolidate the comment resolution into the use case document by 2018-08-03.
Florian Essler and Karl Weber provided an updated version of the use case document with additions from their July 24, 2018 presentation Machine internal and Machine to Cell Controller (M2C) embedded Communication with Machine internal non TSN-communication subsystems http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-essler-industrial-use-cases-contribution-0718-v01.docx. Josef Dorr presented and led discussion on the updated document then revised it based on comments from the group.
Disposition: Josef Dorr will consolidate the use case document and provide a new revision by August 3, 2018. The requirements that are described with these use cases will be added to the requirements document.
Günter Steindl presented IEC / IEEE 60802 – IA profile Network diagnostics – what shall be detected? http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Steindl-NetworkDiagnostics-0718-v01.pdf
Disposition: The requirements that are described in this document will be added to the requirements document.
Günter Steindl presented IEC / IEEE 60802 – IA profile Example for Configuration Model Alignment http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-Steindl-ConfigurationModelAlignment-0718-v01.pdf
Disposition: Further discussion is needed. The term CNC should be replaced by “network management” (e.g. for VLAN or traffic class setup). A contribution entitled “What is configured by a CNC – what by other mechanisms?” is expected for the September 2018 meeting in Oslo. There were comments that the title of the contribution is not accurate.
Josef Dorr started to present Requirements IEC/IEEE 60802 V0.3
http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-industrial-requirements-0718-v03.pdf, led the discussion then revised the document based on comments from the group.
Disposition: The presentation will be continued on July 26, 2018.
Thursday 26 July 2018
8:00 AM (call to order by Ludwig Winkel) to 4:00 PM
Josef Dorr continued presenting Requirements IEC/IEEE 60802 V0.3 http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-industrial-requirements-0718-v03.pdf, led the discussion then revised the document based on comments from the group. Revised document: http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-industrial-requirements-0718-v04.pdf
Disposition: Josef Dorr will provide a new revision of the requirements document such that it is in line with the updated use case document, both documents will be available by August 3, 2018. The updated portion of the revision will be presented and discussed at the August 27, 2018 conference call.
The requirements list shall be input to the drafting of the profile.
Ludwig Winkel provided a tutorial on how to draft an IEC document, especially profiles by walking through relevant IEC web sites (http://www.iec.ch/standardsdev/) and documents. Information on the drafting process of IEC documents (including styles and templates) is at http://www.iec.ch/standardsdev/resources/draftingpublications/.
Ludwig Winkel provided an initial skeleton draft.
Disposition: The IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project uses the IEC style guide.
János Farkas presented Contents of IEEE 802.1 TSN Profile Specifications So Far http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-farkas-contents-of-tsn-profiles-so-far-0718-v01.pdf.
Disposition: The so far published IEEE 802.1 TSN profiles and IEC fieldbus profiles in IEC 61784 can give ideas to the drafting of the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile.
Jordon Woods presented Editor’s Questions and assumptions re: The IEC/IEEE 60802 TSN Profile for Industrial Automation http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/60802-woods-profilequestions-0718-v01.pdf.
Disposition: The IEC Document format will be adopted for the IEC/IEEE 60802 profile. Further discussion is needed.
The IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project meeting adjourned at 3:55 PM.
Agenda of the IEC/IEEE 60802 Joint Project meeting held in Frankfurt, Germany July 24-26, 2018
|9:30||–||9:30||10||Welcome and organizational issues (IEEE intro, IEC intro)||Ludwig, János|
|Room||9:40||–||9:40||10||Membership, attendees registration (IEEE imat), roster; administrivia||János, Ludwig|
|10:15||–||10:15||15||Liaison report IEC TC57; TR IEC 61850-90-13 Deterministic Networking||Maik Seewald|
|11:15||–||11:15||60||Status of use cases||Josef|
|11:55||–||11:55||40||IEEE802.1Qcc UNI and Traffic Specifications||Jordon|
|14:20||–||14:20||105||Machine internal and Machine to Cell Controller (M2C) embedded Communication with Machine internal non TSN-communication subsystems||Florian|
|16:00||–||16:00||0||Finalize use case document Ed1||Josef|
|16:00||–||16:00||0||Review of minutes of the day||Minute maker|
|Recess of 60802 JP meeting|
|8:40||–||8:40||10||Review Agenda; expected results of the day||Ludwig|
|12:35||–||12:35||140||Finalize use case document Ed1||Josef|
|15:15||–||15:15||60||Status Requirement list||Josef|
|Recess of 60802 JP meeting|
|8:10||–||8:10||10||Review Agenda; expected results of the day||Ludwig, János|
|Room||10:35||–||10:35||145||Update Requirements list||Josef|
|11:10||–||11:10||10||Roadmap to finalize Requirement document Ed1||Josef|
|12:20||–||12:20||70||Tutorial how drafting an IEC/IEEE document, especially profiles||Ludwig|
|14:00||–||14:00||55||Tutorial how drafting an IEC/IEEE document, especially profiles||Ludwig|
|14:50||–||14:50||50||Contents of a profile document||János|
|15:35||–||15:35||45||Editor’s Questions and assumptions||Jordon|
|15:35||–||15:35||0||1st draft outline of IEC/IEEE 60802||Jordon|
|15:55||–||15:55||20||Review of the minutes||Minute maker|
|Adjournment of IEC/IEEE 60802 JP meeting|